Farkel: How is your father, how are you? (page 2)

Cygnus

Hey P4L, good to see you.

Farkel, I too have been wondering what will happen when my father finally dies. He started a form of chemotherapy on Friday and every two weeks has to go in for more tests. Tests, tests, and more tests -- they can't figure out exactly what's wrong with him.

Since I'm the eldest son, I think I have a right to say something at the funeral. However, since it will undoubtedly be held at a Kingdom Hall, and since I'm DF'd, then they wouldn't let me. I'd like to be so brave as to step up to the stage and say, "Excuse me, I have a few words I'd like to say." You never know, it might work, hearts could soften.

somebody

Farkel,

My thoughts are with you and your parents during this very difficult, painful time. I like your idea of going up on the ptaform and speaking the truth about your father when the time comes. I'd want to go up there and speak the truth about him either way,whether the JWs have their stupid sales pitch or not. It is YOU and your mom who will have lost your loved family member. Maybe you could arrange that? Would the Jdubs allow you to speak at his funeral and say some last words about your father?

I hope this doesn't all upset you even more. It was just a thought, but I'm not sure what is allowed and you won't know unless you ask.

peace to you,
somebody

PS...Cygnus...I'm sorry to hear about your dad too. It's not easy. I'll keep you and yours in my thoughts also.

Chris....What your father said to you is heartbreaking!

jst2laws

Farkel,

You know I’m just out (mentally, and spiritually) and very
new at this. There are many questions in my own mind as to WHAT REALLY DO I BELIEF. After spending 36 years in the Borg, the last few months I feel like Jonathan Livingston Seagull flying in the clouds. So please understand what follows is from a spiritual man experiencing a personal renaissance.

The original comment to Mommie that sparked the “What is righteous” thread included the thought:
‘the God I belief in would even let you blame him if that helps you through this’. You are going through trauma that I feel we are not made to deal with. Nor is it what God wants for us. Your lack of confidence in God, or even his existence, is understandable and even respectable in view of what you have been through in the past decades as well as what you are going through now. If we lousy humans on this board can sympathize, then I really believe God can too, even more so. The judgmental, seemingly arrogant God of the Hebrew scriptures is not the God I love and trust. That historic drama had the purpose of leading us to his Son, who revealed God to be a LOVING and patient SYPATHIZER with mankind, a RESCUER. He is revealed as hating no one EXCEPT self-righteous, authoritarian religionist such as the Pharisees.

You know who comes to mind as I describe my perception of God? You and others on this board.
No, I’m not saying you are God, but do you see some parallel?

Quote:
“I thought your God wrote me off. Not that I care that he did, or anything.
I thought I was toast in the mind of your God.
I'm just trying to understand stuff, Shebly. Unlike you, I have nothing figured out. If your God thinks I'm blasphemous in my process of understanding stuff then he is unworthy of my worship.”

Damn, Farkel! My God wouldn’t ‘right off’ his friend and fellow fighter. He wants to “toast” the same people you would like to “toast”. True, in your “process of understanding stuff” you’re a LOUD thinker. And true, in your outspoken rhetoric I wish you would at least include the possibility that there is a God who loves what you love and hates what you hate. But that’s where you are at right now.

I wish I could somehow help you deal with your dad’s condition. As said by others we support you and salute you.

Jst2laws

Roamingfeline

It's simply amazing, how we can be online here, and talk with people every day, grow to care about them and their feelings, and not realize until something like this comes up, that one of our online friends are going through what is probably the most hellatious thing they have ever been through in their lives.

Here Farkel sits, day in and day out, giving of his incredible mind and heart to try to help others to see the cult and it's poison for what it truly is, while he himself is going through this most incredibly difficult ordeal: Watching a parent slowly fade and die. It is one of life's most painful blows, an excruciating twisting pain that it deals us. I'm glad that you shared with us, Farkel. My thoughts are with you and your family at this time.

I truly admire your spirit, to walk up to that podium and pay tribute to your father, no matter what. YOu're quite a man.

Hugs,
RCat

Farkel

Thank you for your kind words, everyone. I feel very proud to have to such warm and special friends. Most people would deem themselves lucky to be in that wonderful situation.

jst2laws,

: After spending 36 years in the Borg, the last few months I feel like Jonathan Livingston Seagull flying in the clouds. So please understand what follows is from a spiritual man experiencing a personal renaissance.

That's a fun read, but in order to get a better glimps of my feelings, I also suggest you read Richard Bach's next book: "Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah." It's in paperback and is very fun: full of great aphorisms and simple, yet "deep" (shuuder to use THAT word) thoughts on life and its meaning.

: The original comment to Mommie that sparked the “What is righteous” thread included the thought:
‘the God I belief in would even let you blame him if that helps you through this’. You are going through trauma that I feel we are not made to deal with. Nor is it what God wants for us. Your lack of confidence in God, or even his existence, is understandable and even respectable in view of what you have been through in the past decades as well as what you are going through now. If we lousy humans on this board can sympathize, then I really believe God can too, even more so. The judgmental, seemingly arrogant God of the Hebrew scriptures is not the God I love and trust.

I also believe in God, but not the God of the Bible. I still pray. Heck, it can't hurt! I have not given up on the idea that God exists and that our lives have some cosmic meaning. I have no use for the silly and insane notions of the "ransom" or "orginal sin," though, and I suspect that the more you think about it, the more you might tend to see how absurd they really are. IF God does exist, and IF God does care, then he must care equally for all of the human family, and that would include Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics and even atheists. A truly caring and benovelent God would not care
if He was worshipped or not. Why should He care? Would a truly caring human father want his own children to worship him?

If our life on this planet is just a small fragment of a bigger continuum, it would explain many things. If our life on this planet is all there is, it would also explain many things. At any rate, we all die. That's the only constant. After that, who knows?
I had no problem with non-existence before I existed here on earth, so I'm certain I will have no problem with non-existence after I take my last breath here on earth, if that is the way it is to be. In the meantime, being the cautious person that I am, I'm not wasting any of those breaths.

Farkel

AGuest

My dearest DMan... peace to you!

No, dear one, my Father did not write you off... and although you TRIED, He has not permitted you to blaspheme... at least, not yet - (BIG SMILE! My Lord KNOWS, I was a-prayin'!)

He knows the heart, Daddy-O... and He knows the 'source' of your anger. He has tried SO hard to tell you that, as I have tried SO hard to tell you, as well. He knows YOU... BY NAME... and so He knows the true 'spirit' behind your words: pain. He just wants to help you HEAL the pain, but along with that pain is the barrier of your anger, a 'work' of your flesh, a CURTAIN, that stands between you and Christ, who stands between you and Him.

But... He is patient, D. Truly. I love you, and you KNOW this... because HE loves you. It was Him, through my Lord, that sent me to you... to meet you face-to-face... so I could know the person behind the words... and the anger. And the anger is not 'you', D.; the pain is. And people deal with pain differently. You are dealing with it... in anger.

But, no, my Father still knows you... and in SPITE of that (LOL!)... He still loves you... as do I!

You call me if you need me, DMan... K?

I am, as always and to time indefinite,

YOUR servant, friend... and a slave of Christ,

Shelby

P.S. I just read the comment you reiterated below:

the God I believe in would even let you blame him if that helps you through this’. You are going through trauma that I feel we are not made to deal with. Nor is it what God wants for us. Your lack of confidence in God, or even his existence, is understandable and even respectable in view of what you have been through in the past decades as well as what you are going through now. If we lousy humans on this board can sympathize, then I really believe God can too, even more so.

Indeed, DMan, indeed. It is YOUR mind that has convinced you that my Father has cast you off, but in your HEART, you know better. The former is what YOUR Adversary, the Devil, wishes for you to believe. He has taken YOUR anger... at the WTBTS, the 'brothers' (yeah, right), and a few others who I won't mention here... and enticed you to turn it toward God. But you KNOW the Truth, for I have been granted the privilege to tell you about him. It is what your FAITH does for you now that will decide.

The judgmental, seemingly arrogant God of the Hebrew scriptures is not the God I love and trust.

You see Him as 'earthling' man has interpreted Him to you. Dear one, why not 'come' and see him by means of the TRUE Light? John 8:12

Peace to you, Daddy-O!

think41self

Farkel,

My heart is with you...as is Doug's. When the time comes, if you want some moral support, you know we will be there for you.

think41self

"When agnostics die, do they go to the great perhaps"?

Farkel: How is your father, how are you?

Cygnus

somebody

jst2laws

Roamingfeline

Farkel

AGuest

think41self

jurs

wasasister

Tina

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