newbie and need help.

by jamesd2004 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • jamesd2004
    jamesd2004

    hey ya everybody im new here just saying hi good to be here.. and i need some help if thats ok. i have been studying for about a year and know its the truth etc...but im not babtised. but want to be...i need some help about family issues...

    i wasent brought up in the truth and neither were/and are my mum and dad.

    i know i shouldnt do this but i am. thing is i am studying and stuff but my parents dont know anything about it and im worried what they will say and how they will react. how do i tell them? in what way? im just worried.ihave had sleepless nights from it. cos i love my parents v.much and i dont want them to think ive been 'brainwashed' as some people say. (because my older friend got me into it) and i dont want them to be anoyyed or soemthing. ideally i want them to start studying and eventually get babtised to...i just need help on how to deal with it.

    any advice would be much appreciated! thankyou..i am 18 years old by the way.

    james.

  • 144001
    144001

    Is it just me, or does this post lack sincerity?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I assume, james, that you have not got to the part of your study where you are told to avoid chatting openly on the internet. There are very few active JW's who post here.

    . thing is i am studying and stuff but my parents dont know anything about it how do i tell them? in what way? im just worried.ihave had sleepless nights from it.

    Are you living at home? That makes a big difference on how much you involve your parents in your personal affairs. For example, if you are on your own, how much you tell them is your business. But if you are still a dependent, be respectful and tell them what you are doing.

    cos i love my parents v.much and i dont want them to think ive been 'brainwashed' as some people say. (because my older friend got me into it) and i dont want them to be anoyyed or soemthing.

    On the second day of your book study, you were warned that there are people who will not be happy about your decision and that they would try and convince you not to become a JW. You were also advised to ignore them because Satan does not want you to know the truth. So in a way, you have already been "primed", brainwashed, to not take any negative advice.

    ideally i want them to start studying and eventually get babtised to...i just need help on how to deal with it.

    With the same freedom that you desire, allow your parents their own freedom to chose. Don't try and convert them. On the other hand, it would be useful to sit down with them and explain what to expect. Talk about the blood doctrine, and your sincere desire to follow God's commands in this area. Explain how it will be at Christmas and other family events. In the interests of family harmony, I suggest you compromise by attending seasonal events but simply not participate in portions that you consider "pagan". For instance, you may eat with your family but not exchange gifts, toast, not pray, and not play with the Christmas Crackers. Also correct any misconceptions they may have. For instance, though you may not smoke, you can drink to moderation. Reassure them that the Watchtower society does not want your money, just your time.

  • Funchback
    Funchback

    Hello, James.

    Personally, I was a part of the so-called "truth" for about 25 years. I would advise that you cease and desist your studying with them. It is the opinion of myself, and possibly many others who post on this Forum, that your newfound religion d-i-v-i-d-e-s familes instead of unifying families (a hope that you are holding on to).

    With that said, should you make that committment to become a JW, then you shouldn't worry about what your parents (or anyone else) thinks about your choice. If this is the "truth" that you insist it is, then, nothing else matters.

    "For every thinking human being, there is freedom of choice. For everyone else, there's Jehovah's Witnesses."

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    Hello and welcome James!

    It might be wise to settle back in your chair and check out this board and research MANY of the aspects of the Watchtower. You will be surprised, and enlightened.

    Being baptized as a JW has so any affects that you'll never realize until it's too late. Once you're IN, you cannot ever leave under any good circumstances.

    You can be baptized knowing one set of current rules---and the Watchtower can and will change what they teach, so that in a few years you hardly recognize what YOU "signed on" for. Even the baptism questions have changed drastically since I was in.

    I wish you the best----and just stick around here and see just what you are getting into! (Of course the Watchtower has aready anticipated this---so they say not to "listen" to anything negative about them.)

    I was a loyal JW for 30 years, and it was THE biggest mistake of my life.

    Annie

  • kls
    kls

    Hi James and stick around and you won't want to get baptised or listen to a lieing cult.

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    James my dear boy....

    Here's my advice. Skip the baptism completely....use the money you would have spent going to the assembly and treat you, mom and dad to a day at Water World Adventure Park...or whatever you have close by. You still get wet. Ma and dad will approve. It will be much more fun, and hey if it's sunny out you'll get a tan. Enjoy your summer, head off to college, forget this whole JW biz, find yourself a nice girl (or boy) and live happily ever after. Nuff said.

  • Confession
    Confession

    Hi, James....I'm going to re-post something I wrote a couple of months ago. For those of you who read it the first time, my apologies, but I can't think of anything better to share with someone becoming newly acquainted with the organization.

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    Talking to one of Jehovah's Witnesses? I'm sure he or she is very nice. Most are, in my opinion. I have a great deal of love for many, many Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact more than thirty members of my family are in the organization, since our family has a long history in it for four generations and more than sixty years.

    Why do I love Jehovah's Witnesses? They look forward to a time when the earth will be a paradise and all humans will then live in perfection and happiness. This common hope can inspire love and a special kind of unity. They're not perfect, and you'll see this from time to time, but who is perfect, right?

    As you continue your association with this Jehovah's Witness, there are a few things I'd like you to know.

    1) The Watchtower Society, the official agency in charge of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, encourages young ones to be baptized quite young; thirteen or fourteen years of age.

    2) While the baptism oaths used to require those getting baptized to acknowledge God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, in 1985 it was changed to require those getting baptized to acknowledge the Watchtower Society as "God's spirit-directed organization."

    3) Being a baptized Jehovah's Witness requires you to recognize as God's sole channel of communication to humans - only those in association with the Watchtower Society. Although they may not mention it at first, they believe that unless you are baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses--and have a full share in their meetings and field service activity--you will die at the soon-to-come Armageddon, along with everyone else on earth who has not done these things.

    4) If you become baptized and later decide you don't necessarily recognize those in association with the Watchtower Society as God's only channel of communication--and admit as much to others--you will almost surely be disfellowshiped and branded a wicked apostate, not even worthy of prayers. This means being shunned and vilified by all those--closest friends, family members, yes even your children--who are Jehovah's Witnesses. You will be identified as one of "The Evil Slave Class."

    5) Trying to reason with the elders, your friends or family members that you are not deserving of such treatment is quite futile. Why? Because any Jehovah's Witness who does not submit to the enforced shunning is himself subject to being disfellowshiped and shunned if anyone finds out. This practice creates an environment in which people are fearful of anything the Watchtower Society has condemned, and in which people are reverse-incentivized to support anything they say.

    6) If these things were to happen to you, during your judicial hearing you will be denied most of the rights generally afforded people in any sort of court. You are not given the right to have someone represent you, nor even the right to have witnesses of your choosing present. There will be no recording nor transcript of the proceedings. While they make sure there are three or more elders present to represent the Watchtower Society's interests, you are allowed no one to represent yours. You have no record of the hearing, no representation, no witnesses of your own; you have no concrete way to demonstrate that you were mistreated or that things weren't handled properly. Only your word (one person) against theirs (three persons.)

    If, like me, you at some point become one of Jehovah's Witnesses, many wonderful things will be placed before you. Lots of literature containing beautiful artist's renderings of life on a paradise earth. Many experiences of how other people all over the world are becoming Jehovah's Witnesses. Frequent public talks that demonstrate how correct the Watchtower Society is in its increasing light regarding God's truth. You will be encouraged to read the Bible--along with publications from the Watchtower Society. And you'll find that "studying the Bible," while quite time-consuming, is not very difficult since it amounts to reading Watchtower publications and answering the accompanying, published questions from those corresponding paragraphs.

    As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you will frequently be told not to listen to those who disagree with the teachings of the Watchtower Society. They will spend less time teaching you about why these opposers are wrong--and more time sinply warning you not to pay attention. Note the following excerpt taken from the Watchtower magazine...

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    w86 3/15 p. 12 ‘Do Not Be Quickly Shaken From Your Reason’ ***

    Now, what will you do if you are confronted with apostate teaching—subtle reasonings—claiming that what you believe as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the truth? For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it, and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: ‘It won’t affect me; I’m too strong in the truth. And, besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test.’ In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt. (Compare James 1:5-8.)

    You may find the logic circular and unsatisfying at first. Consider...

    "This is God’s true organization."

    "If so, why be afraid of hearing out an opposer?"

    "Because they might lead you away from God’s true organization."

    "But what if the opposers are right?"

    "They can’t be right since this is God’s true organization."

    "But shouldn’t such an organization withstand honest-hearted scrutiny?"

    "It’s thinking like that that has led many away from God’s true organization."

    But if you give it time, in the presence of others who have accepted the organization as God's only true channel, you may find it becomes easier and easier to believe as they do. You may come to accept what they have: that there is no truth nor faith in God apart from faith in the Watchtower Society.

    Although nearly all of my family members are Jehovah's Witnesses and although I myself served as an elder in the congregation, I now recognize that the organization is not what it purports to be. While there are many fine and wonderful people within it, there are many false and troubling things too. Things that cannot be excused as the simple shortcomings of imperfect men. They amount to gross deception, evil manipulation and idolatry.

    These things are most difficult to see for those immersed in the culture surrounding the organization, who endeavor to separate themselves from all others, associating almost exclusively with one another. They are things one cannot comprehend without a willingness to give the organization a clear-minded, honest-hearted, objective investigation. Because the Watchtower Society threatens those who dissent with a branding of "apostate" and shunning, there is much fear in one’s conducting such an investigation. The reasoning encouraged by the Watchtower Society requires the dogmatic rejection of any possibility that "what you believe as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the truth." I consider this out of harmony with the scriptures.

    (2 Corinthians 13:5)

    Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU?

    This month I will be 39 years old. I have only come into my present understanding of this organization in the last year. None of my Witness friends or family members--including my seventeen year old daughter--know how I feel. I am presently struggling with the most difficult decision I've ever had to make in my life. Either I voice my position and be considered demonized by my entire family along with the only community of friends I've known my whole life, being shunned as an evil enemy. Or living a lie.

    Unlike the Watchtower Society, I will not tell you to run from what I believe to be wrong. I want you to understand it. Listen to them. Listen closely. But don't ever let them scare you from considering ALL the information. And don't ever let them tell you not to use the mind God gave you--in favor of zombie-like submission to a group of men. Men whose position as God's only channel they preserve by the threat of shunning upon those who dare suggest the emperor may have no clothes.

    I don't know what the coming months hold for me. Please pray for me. I'll be praying for you.

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    (Addition 6/2/2005) My daughter now knows of my position. How? She found the above document in my computer and printed it out. It's been very difficult for us, but she shows a determination not to let anything come between us.

  • fairchild
    fairchild

    Welcome to JWD, James.

    "Confession" made an excellent post. Please read it ever so carefully.

  • JW83
    JW83

    Confession, welcome to this site! Your letter is great, very sincere - I hope things have improved for you.

    James, I would suggest sitting down with your mum & dad & discussing the issue. Your parents love you & they want what's best for you. Don't let anything break up your family - it's the only one you get!

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