mom the other kids at the hall treat me like i'm not good enough

by candidlynuts 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    yup..thats what my teenage daughter told me this week.

    she's beautiful, witty, smart, funny and overall a wonderful person (if i do say so myself)

    but she's feeling unworthy of love from the " friends".

    so i had a long long long LONG talk with her about the other " witness" kids.

    how i felt the same way as a kid, how as i got older i found out the other kids didnt want me around because they were doing things that they

    didnt want to be told on about. she talked about how since her dad and i are divorced that she's considered bad association..

    so.........i told her a few things about the parents of these kids since i grew up with them..

    one is a closet smoker... one smokes pot A LOT, one drinks ... one got in trouble at 19 for messing around with a 14 yr old girl...one was a 10 pound " premature" baby.. i told her everything i could think of and heck i think i made some chit up lol.

    so yes, she is different than these kids and their families.. i told her not to be fooled by appearances.. they come to the hall , nicely dressed driving nice cars, smiling and talking in meek tones , but outside of the hall she doesnt know how they behave. its an act, an act toget by in the hierarchy of the social and political structure of the kingdom hall. i encouraged her to tell me about her friends at school,she has 2, a nice girl and a boy that are kind of outcasts too. i told her since she enjoys their company to keep working on those friendships, that she's getting to know the real person those kids are instead of a face they put on in the KH.

    i think i got thru to her, she said she doesnt want to be baptized till she's older (thank goodness) and i encouraged her to wait till she's

    in her mid 20s to decide. i took her shopping and bought her music SHE likes, nirvana, ACDC, greenday, ....... all of them she said she

    felt guilty buying but that was the music she liked. i told her she's a teen, she is at the stage in her life where she SHOULD listen to what

    she wants to and music is something that touches everyone differently. being a teen you feel like your emotions are going nutso and music seems to give you a vent to let some of the pressure off..

    i asked her " forget about being a JW for a minute... as a person, what do you think about yourself?"

    then i asked her " what do you think about yourself when you think of yourself as a JW?"

    the answers made me cry.. the first..she was positive about herself, she liked music, liked thinking about maybe going to college to work with animals as a vet assistant or something, that she loved to dress up in goth clothes just to get attention and to make her dads hair turn gray and that she loves south park and family guy humor....

    second...she said " mom i just dont feel like i'm ever going to be good enough, the kids at school treat me like a freak cuz i 'm a jw and the kids at the hall treat me like a freak because i'm not in their clique , i cant win"

    i tried to get thru to her that it isnt her fault she feels that way at the KH. that that is a result of a system that isnt working. too much importance is put on HOW you appear to be doing instead of WHAT your doing. its always been that way.. your judged on your time card and how much money your family donates..then i asked her, if you were God, how would you want 14 yr old girls to feel? positive and looking forward to the future or feel like your never going to be good enough or feel like an outcast?..

    i think it made her think and we had a very good discussion.. cross your fingers...

    ps: i missed you guys! i'm back !

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz

    Candidly,

    I'd ask you to be my mom but I think I'm older than you... You sound like such a great mom, and I can so feel for your daughter and yourself. I can remember feeling the same way as a JW teen...

    I certainly hope that you got through to her this time, and, welcome back!

    Jeannie

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    (((((Candily and daughter))))))

    You go, girl. I give her 5 years max and she'll be free from the WT prison of lies and deceit.

    BTW, I am going to be in yo town on June 18 (unless a problem with my business keeps me handcuffed here) to help kick off the Southern Baptist Convention. Chartered bus and full day of spreading the gospel of 'Babylon the Great' so prolly will be all business but will have my cell with me. PM me for the #.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Candidly, I think you invested good stuff in your daughter this week. She will ponder what you have said. Some of it will stick.

    One wonderful thing I read about before I could try it on my daughter....a mother arranged for a once-a-year delivery of flowers from a "secret admirer". She never let on where they came from.

    I think that mom was on to something. Every girl wants to know she is interesting and that people are interested in her.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    thanks everyone,

    i walked a fine line, trying to talk to her honestly and not sound bitter or apostateish, my main goal was to make her feel better about herself not to jerk her out of jw'dom.. i know it'll be a few years before she'll be in a position not to HAVE to go with her dad.

    honesty i'm supposed to be out of state the weekend of the 18th but will pm you for the number anyway just in case that falls thru i'd love to yak a few! i hope you have a good convention.(how good can it be, baptists dont drink! hahahaha)

  • Aude_Sapere
    Aude_Sapere

    Hey there, candidly!!
    Welcome back!!

    **if you were God, how would you want 14 yr old girls to feel? positive and looking forward to the future or feel like your never going to be good enough or feel like an outcast?.**

    This comment brought tears to my eyes. I bet ALOT of us raised in truth wish that someone not only asked us that question when we were 14 but also told us that is OK to be 14 and to live like a 14-year-old.

    I think you did GREAT. Congrats.

    Again - Nice to see you back here.
    -Aude.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    I wish one of my parents had had that talk with me, candidlynuts.

    Plant, plant. Water, water.

    Well done.

    Chris

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    Well being a JW at school...never good enough at the hall...a closet homo.... I was never good enough. But that gave me the fortitude to not give a shite what ANYBODY else thought and taught me I could accomplish ANYTHING I set my mind to. I don't know how many people scoffed at my life accomplisments. College.... Compete in a triathlon.... be a doctor...blah...blah..blah. Everyone told me how I was dreaming and not being serious with myself. Know what...all those people were WRONG! So while it may hurt you to hear your daughter going thru a rough patch...it really is helping her in other ways.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    EF i know a lot of people who when they are beat down fight back and succeed and most of them are males! i admire it but theres also those who take a beating and internalize it so deeply that they don't think they have the skills to fight back.. i'm hoping to give her the skills . or at least point her in the right direction.

    Aude......when i said that to her i had one of those Ah HA moments oprah talks about.. i thought..geez.. god doesnt want us 40 yr olds feeling like we're not good enough either! it did me a world of good to SAY it! i hate seeing my kids in pain.. nothing really we can do about it as parents but try to guide their thinking some so that we lessen the damage somewhat.

  • Alakzam
    Alakzam

    Wow, you are the kind of mother I needed when I was a teenager dealing with the pressure of being an outcast at school and at the KH. And the kind of mother I hope to be to my 10 month old daughter, too!

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