Goethe to the Rescue

by Maximus 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    This is especially for Farkel, whose good name has been stolen but who has not been robbed of the affection so very many of us have for him.

    Recently we've been treated to philosophy that has been a bit opaque to many. I thought I'd expose you to the German philosopher Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (sounds somewhat like GERT.uh).

    He really makes sense most times, once in awhile I think him out to lunch. Think about this truth: "Once you have missed the first buttonhole, you'll never manage to button up."

    Or, in thinking about catch phrases from the Society like, "No matter what, it's still God's organization" "Things are so bad the end has to be here soon."

    Here's Goethe: "The phrases men are accustomed to repeat incessantly, end by becoming convictions that ossify the organs of intelligence."

    Herewith are gems I'd like to share, thanks to an unknown translator.

    We cannot possess what we do not understand

    Nothing is worse than active ignorance

    We are never deceived: we deceive ourselves

    Truth is a torch but a tremendous one. That is why we hurry past it, shielding our eyes, indeed, in fear of getting burned

    The first and last thing required of genius is the love of truth

    Everyone hears only what he understands

    We are accustomed to see men deride what they do not understand, and snarl at the good and beautiful because it lies beyond their sympathies

    The further one advances in experience, the closer one comes to the unfathomable; the more one learns to utilize experience, the more one recognizes that the unfathomable is of no practical value

    Hypotheses are lullabies for teachers to sing their students to sleep. The close and thoughtful observer more and more learns to recognize his limitations. He realizes that with the steady growth of knowledge more and more new problems keep on emerging

    Each has his own happiness in his hands, as the artist handles the rude clay he seeks to reshape it into a figure; yet it is the same with this art as with all others: only the capacity for it is innate; the art itself must be learned and painstakingly practiced

    Once one knows what really matters, one ceases to be voluble. And what does really matter? That is easy: thinking and doing, doing and thinking--and these are the sum of all wisdom ... Both must move ever onward in life, to and fro, like breathing in and breathing out. Whoever makes it a rule to test action by thought, thought by action, cannot falter, and if he does, will soon find his way back to the right road.

    To be pleased with one's limits is a wretched state

    _______

    Well, dear ones,
    what do you think?

    Maximus

    pix withdrawn

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Sixy likes it. It is so....so....refreshingly un-opaque. {didn't want to call it transparent}

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Ps. The picture encouraging breast self examination was a nice touch also. An issue close to my heart.

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hey Max!

    Thanks for the quotes - slightly heavy thinking for Monday, eh?

    We are never deceived: we deceive ourselves

    In other words - stop blaming the other guy for the deception.

    There was a movie while back about con artist - I believe George C. Scott was in it. Most remembered line: "You can't cheat an honest man."

    Btw, wonderfully handsome man. Are we to assume that this is Goethe?
    Did all men back then put their hand inside their jacket? Thought that was a Napoleon thang'.

    waiting

  • Anchor
    Anchor

    Farkel, Farkel,

    Lemme hear you sparkle.

    Anchor

  • Anchor
    Anchor

    Farkel?

    +

  • COMF
    COMF
    To be pleased with one's limits is a wretched state.

    Hmmm. Why? Assuming that one has correctly perceived one's limits and they are, in fact, true limits: why would being pleased with them be a wretched state? I will admit that being "pleased" with a limit seems a bit odd; I think most of us would like to experience winged flight, for example. But why is it "wretched?" I might be willing to go with "naive" or "unmotivated," or perhaps "unimaginative." But "wretched?" I don't think so.

    There's a lot to be said for acceptance. Of course, acceptance doesn't equate to being "pleased."

    COMF

    "Not unless fired upon, suh... not unless fired upon."

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Oh, hell. Guess folks would rather read opaque philosophy from Duns.

    No mas.

    Max

  • COMF
    COMF

    Now, Maxie, don't quit so quickly!

    I read down through all of the quotes and found myself agreeing with them, thinking, "Yes, that's so... yes, I can see how that applies..." until I got to the last one. I couldn't get a grip on it; I didn't see his point. So I discussed it.

    I guess it's easier to talk about a concept when you don't agree, than it is when you do. Hmm...

    Anyway, don't write us off! The world needs un-opaque wisdom!

    COMF

  • Mommie Dark
    Mommie Dark

    "Guess folks would rather read opaque philosophy from Duns."

    No no no no no! Most of us would rather have root canal surgery without anesthesia than actually READ that crap Duns spouts! We just scan it to see if he has buried any factual information amongst the turds. SO far he hasn't offered any, except for some inadvertent clues as to his real identity; that and the fact that he has proven to be a hypocrite, dunning others for their alleged drinking habits then bragging about his own 'libation' as he posts.

    Your posts, on the other hand, are rational, humane, often incisive, always germane, and eminently reasonable.

    The reason his posts get more responses is the same reason a mosquito gets more reaction, when it lands on your arm, than a butterfly does.

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