When the organization is having problems its NEVER be the fault of the WTS

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  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

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    Watchtower May 15, 1964 pp. 294-296 Should You Change Your Religion? ***

    ADMISSION

    OF FAILURE

    Many religious leaders openly admit that their church organizations are failing to provide their members with what they need to meet God’s requirements, and admit they themselves are not meeting these requirements.

    Why should this admission of failure concern you? Because Jesus said: "Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire." (Matt. 7:19) Any religion that does not produce the kind of Christians God requires will come to eventual destruction. Individuals who do not meet God’s requirements will meet with similar disaster, for Jesus added: "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will."—Matt. 7:21.

    Note some of these admissions that should alert you to the possibility that your own religion is failing. Archbishop Coggan of England admitted: "The tragedy within the Church today, all too often, is that the Gospel that is preached is but a section, a fragment, of the Gospel as it is given to us in the New Testament."

    The Italian magazine Europeo contained this comment in regard to church failure in Italy: "‘The progressive support given to Marxism in Italy,’ sustained the President General of Catholic Action during his press conference, ‘can be considered an aspect of the phenomenon in the decline of spiritual and religious values, and the cause must be attributed to the loss of the Christian mentality, of the Christian manner of judging, of the Christian conception of existence.’" But why did this decline and loss come about? The article adds: "Catholic morals and conduct fall to pieces by themselves at the first contact with the new ideology because for centuries they had lost their substance and their truth, they had been reduced to rites, to practices, to folklore."

    In Australia, the president of the South Australian Methodist Conference stated: "The church has become a club to be enjoyed by those within its membership, and it forgets the purpose of its existence." A Baptist clergyman there declared: "We have lost our grip, our way, our faith. We are filled with foreboding and fear, worried about nuclear weapons." How could these religions represent true worship when the Bible plainly says that those persons having the right religion would not fear because they would know for a certainty what the future holds for this earth, yes, for this very generation, and that they would be bearing witness of this in all parts of the earth?—Luke 21:28; Matt. 24:14.

    In this regard astounding are the words of the late Archbishop Yngve Brilioth of Sweden, who said: "Whether mankind will ever get peace, is a question the answering of which would require a prophetic endowment that I have not got." If what this clergyman had was the right religion, he would clearly know that peace will come to this earth, and how it will come, since the Bible pointedly answers these questions.

    A prominent American bishop, James A. Pike, admitted: "The story of Christianity’s retreat is more than one of numbers. It is a story of a Church that has become largely complacent and irrelevant. The Christian community seems incapable of heeding the religious admonition to ‘love thy neighbour’ at a time when the need for such love was never more apparent." But this could not be true if he represented true religion, whose adherents have always practiced such love and do so at the present time. In fact, it is a prominent feature that distinguishes them from those who have the wrong religion.—John 13:34, 35.

    Related to this are the words of the late Pope John XXIII, who, when speaking of boxing, said: "It is barbaric to put brother against brother." Yet, it is far more barbaric to witness millions belonging to the same religion slaughtering one another on the battlefield in time of war, each side supported by their respective clergy who are also of the same religion! What a fantastic failure of these religions when we consider the words of 1 John 3:10-12: "The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Everyone who does not carry on righteousness does not originate with God, neither does he who does not love his brother. . . . we should have love for one another; not like Cain, who originated with the wicked one and slaughtered his brother"!

    If you face things honestly, the way they really are, you will find the words of the German Lutheran church paper Amtsblatt der bekennenden Kirche (Official Journal of the Witnessing Church) accurate when it said: "In this period at the end of the modern world, we theologians and clergymen, due to our false course, belong to the same class as the Pharisees and Sadducees spoken of in Matthew 16:1-4. We, too, fail to understand the signs of the times."

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    They really know how to paint a bleak picture when it comes to other people but four decades later they are obviously guilty of the same faults.

    They certainly produced the fruits of a false prophet, and they do nothing to help their members other than constantly pester them with what they must do. Many ruined families, suicides, dead from adhering to the anti blood tranfusion doctrine, and many people that lost out on a university education.

  • blondie
    blondie

    HAHAHAHA

    *** w00 10/1 p. 32 Are You Discreet? ***
    Those to whom Jesus Christ has entrusted "all his belongings" are described in God’s Word as "faithful and discreet." (Matthew 24:45-47) They do not immodestly run ahead of Jehovah on an impulsive whim; nor do they lag behind when God’s direction in a matter is clear. They know when it is time to speak and when it is time to wait silently for further clarification. All Christians do well not only to imitate their faith but also to prove themselves discreet, as the slave class does.—Hebrews 13:7.

    w97 6/1 pp. 13-14 A Secret Christians Dare Not Keep! ***

    In contrast with humans, who have a limited life span, Jehovah never feels pressured by time to reveal his secrets prematurely. This fact should prevent us from becoming impatient when certain Bible questions cannot presently be explained to our satisfaction. Modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the Christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear. The slave class strives to avoid being dogmatic. It is not too proud to admit that as of now it cannot answer every question, keeping Proverbs 4:18 clearly in mind. But how thrilling to know that Jehovah, in his own due time and in his own way, will continue to reveal his secrets as to his purposes! Never should we become impatient with Jehovah’s arrangement, indiscreetly trying to rush ahead of the Revealer of secrets. How reassuring it is to know that the channel Jehovah is using today does not do so! It is both faithful and discreet.—Matthew 24:45; 1 Corinthians 4:6.

    WHEREAS

    *** w88 5/1 p. 13 The Challenge of Following in His Footsteps ***

    Not keeping pace with Christ could mean one of two things. Either we try to go faster, running ahead of "the faithful and discreet slave" that Jesus is using to accomplish Jehovah’s purpose, or we lag behind in following that ‘slave’s’ direction. (Matthew 24:45-47) As an example of the first, some Christians have in times past become impatient about doctrinal or organizational changes or refinements that they felt were necessary and overdue. Becoming disgruntled because they felt things were not moving quickly enough, they withdrew from Jehovah’s people. How foolish and how shortsighted! Often the very thing that upset them was later changed—in Jehovah’s due time.—Proverbs 19:2; Ecclesiastes 7:8, 9.
  • metatron
    metatron

    This, to me, is now the big question: When disaster intensifies, will the Watchtower

    go down like Hitler - or try to compromise to save itself?

    Hitler, down to the last, blamed everyone else for his failure. A fanatic to the end, he never

    wavered in his deadly arrogance. Take note of how the Watchtower's minions are blaming

    elders - or Witness kids leading "double lives". I wonder if they ever will turn on ordinary

    publishers and upbraid them directly.

    It's going to get interesting to watch. As Watchtower internal troubles multiply, you'll get

    an ever clearer picture of the selfish and sterile thinking that dominates them, as they

    react to defeats they once thought impossible. It's going to get uncomfortable in that

    "bunker".

    metatron

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    I must be bad for the churches that I attend. I have gone to two and the first one is no longer active and the second one is in the process of falling apart.

    I really had nothing to do with the break up. The second church was brought to an end by my wife's sisters antics. They were both interested in the choir director and started a singing group. The widowed one found the married one sleeping with him late one night and told the congregation and some believed it and some didn't, although he had done this before with a married woman.

    Just proves to me all religions are just a social club of some good and some bad people with an imaginative God. I think more people are discovering this.

    Ken P.

  • diamondblue1974
    diamondblue1974

    I am in the middle of reading Crisis of Conscience and Franz sums up this point really well.

    Essentially where the WTS make a mistake or fall into error they blame their followers...never themselves; what was staggering though is that another religious organisation (I forget the name) which made mistakes had the balls to admit and apologise for their failures and the inconvenience and problems caused to their members as a result.

    You never get that from the WTS...wheres the humility, wheres the love for their brothers...fact is there isnt any.

    DB74

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    They are more cunning than the popes because though they never actually claim to be infallible in practice they act as if they are. They never accept corrections from anyone and whenever they change a doctrine it's a matter of adding to it new ideas to develop and complete it further.

  • steve2
    steve2

    The Governing Body are like really bad parents: Blame their children - and even disown 'em - when the kids are naughty; but take the credit when the kids behave themselves.

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    Many religious leaders openly admit that their church organizations are failing

    This is a little off topic, but did anyone else wonder who these many religious leaders are exactly? I can't remember hearing a religious leader make that "admission" ever. Surely it has happened, but come on...the claim that many are saying this is just like saying there are is a lot more violence since 1914....extreme exaggeration.

  • diamondblue1974
    diamondblue1974

    At pg271 Crisis of Conscience (4th Ed) it suggests that the Worldwide Church of God in their magazine wrote an apologetic article entitled 'forgive us our trespasses' which detailed what they had done wrong in terms of erroneous predictions and asked for forgiveness. Now fine they too maybe false prophets but at least they admit it.

    As far as I am concerned no mainstream or other religion (other than the above) has ever admitted they were wrong; it would be interesting to see where the WTS have referenced this comment from...oh wait there was no reference, i.e the author must have just made it up.

    DB74

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