by ros 22 Replies latest jw friends
Maybe something will come out about the life and health insurance scams sanctioned "at the top" and participants "at the top." Hmmmmmm?
Anybody here want to drop names of companies? People involved?
Who you calling relentless, Metatron? Not them, I hope.
Maximus
Two items:
One - The claim that Armageddon is 'closer than ever' would always be true, even if it's coming eight zillion years from now...given that time does not stand still.
Two - Dateline. I spoke with the producer of the dateline piece Monday morning. He does not yet have a date and wouldn't speculate other than to say that it will be on this fall.
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
Metatron and Max:
How about things like spouse battering? Adult rape? Theft?
How about a confession of having committed murders prior to becoming a JW?
Don't you find something strange about their use of the condemning words "running ahead of the organsiation"? If someone "runs ahead" surely they get 'there' first! What's wrong with that? So what the borg wants is folk to be in obedience to the untruth.
Cheers,
Ozzie
"You can know the law by heart, without knowing the heart of it"
Philip Yancey, What's So Amazing About Grace?
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and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.
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Rational, when I was on the way out before 1973, I used this scripture and a quote from the Watchtower, where this text was used and applied to Jehovah's Witnesses. I believe it was in a question from readers. I would present this article to many brothers, and they would report me to the higher ups for creating dissension. I do not have the back magazines to took up where they used this text.
No doubt they will bring out this application of the text again, and then they will refer back to this question from readers and say, we told you so back in 68 to 71 or whatever the date is.
I hope someone will look this up. "If your 'enemy is hungry, feed him'.
belbab
I wonder if they'll ever wake up and realize how much
trouble they created for themselves by mistreating so
many, many people. The disfellowshipping they love so
much as a tool of control has been critical in mobilizing
the opposition and enmity of talented (and yes, relentless!)
shadow warriors on the internet.
They're gonna reap what they've sown, ultimately.
metatron (with black pajamas, sandals and a mouse instead
of an AK-47)
Belbab,
You are probably referring to this vaguely worded 4/1/65 Watchtower article "The Love That Leads to Life":
3 Love of that kind must be rare, so rare that it would make Jesus’ true pupils or disciples stand out among all other persons on earth and be their distinguishing mark. It did in Jesus’ day; does it today? Look at the newspapers, listen to the radio reports, or just examine the scene around you wherever you may now happen to be. Do you not see what the apostle Paul said you would, when he wrote: “But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, . . . disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, . . . without love of goodness, . . . puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away”? (2 Tim. 3:1-5) Why, Jesus foretold that the lack of true love would be so great that even his own Christian congregation would be seriously affected. Remember, it was not of the world in general but of his own professed followers in the time of the end that he said: “And because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.” That spells danger.—Matt. 24:12.I believe this is the closest the Society has come to suggesting the prophecy applied to JWs themselves. The 12/1/67 QFR added:
Does Jesus’ prophecy at Matthew 24:12 about the cooling off of the love of the greater number find fulfillment in Christendom or among Jehovah’s Christian witnesses?—P. A., U.S.A.The Society repeated this position in the 10/1/84 QFR:The things that have occurred in this generation show that both Christendom and God’s true servants are involved in the fulfillment of this prophecy. In the twenty-fourth chapter of Matthew Jesus Christ was describing to four of his disciples different aspects of the composite sign that would be observed during his second presence. After mentioning wars, food shortages, earthquakes and persecution of true Christians, he added: “Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.”—Matt. 24:11, 12.
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However, those who are actually Christians can also be involved in this prophecy. For a time following the setting up of the Kingdom in 1914 Jehovah’s servants were in a state of spiritual captivity. There was persecution from the outside, and even within the organization of true Christians there were problems. Some had allowed their love for God to grow cold and they tried unlawfully to seize control of the organization. When they failed, they fell away and became an “evil slave” class, opposing those who continued to show true love for God. (Matt. 24:48-51) And over the years others have been influenced by the lawlessness of the world or have let their love die down for some other reason. The cooling off of their love caused them to abandon true worship and to join the imitation Christians, thus adding to the “greater number.”Yet there appears to be no reason to conclude that the greater number of those in Jehovah’s organization of Christian witnesses now are going to lose their love for God in the future. The lawlessness and lack of love in the world is already well advanced, but most of Jehovah’s witnesses are remaining devoted to God and with strong love. Even so, we each need to be concerned with our own spirituality so that our love for God remains strong. (Matt. 22:37) If that is the case with each one of us, Jesus’ words in the next verse of Matthew chapter 24 will be fulfilled in us: “He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.”—Matt. 24:13.
Do Jesus’ words that “the love of the greater number will cool off” mean that this will occur among true worshipers now?Cheers,With good reason we believe that Jesus was not foretelling a large-scale loss of love among Jehovah’s people.
The apostles had asked for ‘the sign of Jesus’ presence and of the conclusion of the system of things.’ Jesus foretold wars, earthquakes, food shortages and persecution of Christians. He added: “Because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.”—Matthew 24:3-12.
Much of that prophecy found a fulfillment between then (33 C.E.) and the great tribulation on Jerusalem that the Romans caused in 70 C.E. (Compare Luke 19:41-44; 21:5-28.) During that interval, did the love of most anointed Christians cool off? No. Those who fell away from Christianity during that generation evidently were in the minority. Most Christians experiencing persecution from the Jews kept up “declaring the good news of the word,” displaying love for God, for unbelievers and for fellow Christians. (Acts 8:1-25; 9:36-42) But love did cool off among the Jews, who claimed to be true worshipers. The greater number of them ignored Jesus’ warning, revolted against Rome and resorted to a violent defense of their nation.
Jesus’ prophecy extends beyond the first century and has its major fulfillment today. (Revelation 6:2-8) As with the Jews back then, people have less and less effective love. Millions have turned atheistic. Even in Christendom people tend to show less neighbor love, and church attendances and knowledge of the Bible generally are declining. Many who seem to be religious try to rectify human problems through political causes. So it apparently is among such claimed worshipers of God that love is cooling off.
True Christians, though, must not become complacent. Since some Christians in the first century lost their first love or were distracted from it by problems, we could find our love cooling off. (2 Timothy 2:16-19; Revelation 2:4) While, if that happened, we would be exceptions to most of Jehovah’s people, the fact that it could happen to us individually emphasizes our need to ‘endure to the end’ so as to be saved.—Matthew 24:13.
The things that have occurred in this generation show that both Christendom and God’s true servants are involved in the fulfillment of this prophecy. In the twenty-fourth chapter of Matt.
You have found the right Watchtowers. They always cover their asses both ways. There is enough in this vagueness to be used if their numbers decrease significantly to say "we prophesied this decades ago" . "The FDS provided food in due season" Thanks for looking up the texts. Belbab
Hi Ros,
Interesting points. Especially murder as there is NO statute of limitations on that one! And if they(read elders or whoever) know about this particular crime,wouldnt that be considered harboring a fugitive from justice? Aiding and abetting? So a pebble falls from someones mouth and makes waves around those who listen/know? Just speculating.Tina
Maximus,
I,ve got information on a health insurance scam and the names of prominent ones involved within the org.I can tell you that a number of prominent bros here in NYC were involved.the Pres. was a prominent elder who gave grand sounding talks at all of our circuit assemblies.The VP was a sub CO who always gave eloquent sounding talks at the circuit assembly about not being materialistic.This same person along with the Pres of the company stole money from the company for their own use and was having a 1.2 million dollar house being built in Roslyn NY a ritzy area when they were caught by the Gov't. This happened in 1998-99.But there are indications that higher ups at hq were also involved in this whole scam.
Maximus are you familiar with this case?I heard the two bros admitted to stealing half a mil, but from what I've found out they are not in jail. And they should be.Word is that a number of other bros involved lost their homes when the govt stepped in.
