Pope thinks hitting children is "Beautiful"

by cofty 42 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Simon

  Spanking should only be considered if a verbal lesson would not work

  Then what exactly are they learning in that case? Kids are not stupid - they can always be reasoned with.

  I wouldn't dream to claim I've never been angry or frustrated as a parent but in my experience it is far more effective to reach them on an emotional level than a physical level.

  We must have done something right as we have two fantastically respectful and well-behaved, empathetic kids and when they were young we've been out at restaurants and had old couples come up and say how well behaved they were and how nice it was to see.
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  Gentledawn

  Beating  a person who is pleading with you not to do it? Repeatedly hitting them over and over and over...

  The beatings do damage, too. The fact that the parent (spouse, what-not) ignores the pleas is equally and possibly more damaging, imo.

  My parents had the habit of beating us with wooden bamboo canes. The offense to warrant such whippings? Missed a phone call (older sisters boyfriend, of all things), and/or didn't remember to write down the message or the callers name. Or they can't find something they (either parent) have been trying to find for whole minutes of their very important lives.

  Perhaps that young girl in the video would not have posted up nude pictures of herself to facebook if some caring adult in her life had taken the time to actually talk and teach her how and why doing it is so wrong and damaging.

  People are people.

  And abuse is abuse. As is neglect.
  

   
  
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  LoveUniHateExams

  What does a child learn from being hit by a parent? Is it really necessary? - the child learns not to misbehave. But I agree with you - reasoning, grounding or stopping pocket money are much better ways to get children to behave.

  I'm also glad that corporal punishment was done away with in secondary schools.

  It is the lazy option - in many cases, I'm sure it is.

  I think there may be differences in cultural attitudes to smacking children - again, the African women beating seven shades out of her daughter above doesn't compare to the occasional smack I received as a child.  
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  little_Socrates

  Thank you Simon for

  "The only exceptions are not really "punishment" but where you may slap a child's hand away from a fire or hot pan or grab them roughly if they looked like they were running out into the road."

  While I might have a slightly broader understanding of the same concept we are not that far a part.  All I was hearing was that any physical discipline was always abuse.
  

  
  

  As a young child spankings where not effective on me.   I have a high pain tolerance and I can be stubborn.    As soon as I could talk, talking was the best way to discipline. me.   My brother on the other hand was very different.   He was hyperactive, obstinate, and probably had a touch of fetal alcohol syndrome(he was adopted so we don't really know his background).   You had to get his attention for him to listen.   After a good smack he would slow down and listen to what you had to say.

  
  

  Look every child is different.   The skills of every parent are different.   It is very difficult to make a broad statement of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in every circumstance.
  

  
  
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  cofty

  Spanking should only be considered if  a verbal lesson would not work.

  That is an excuse for lazy parenting. There are always ways to teach lessons. 

  It is very difficult to make a broad statement of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in every circumstance.

  OK but hitting is never an option. EVER!
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  LoveUniHateExams

  I'm glad that the UK has moved on from smacking and that it's illegal.

  Little_Socrates makes a good point - it may be difficult to decide what is acceptable or unacceptable in every circumstance.

  Suppose a child is about to run into the road. The parent grabs the child's arm, and yanks it back onto the pavement. If the child has bruises and a sore arm I could well imagine some pointless jobsworth bringing criminal charges against the parent. In Britain, authorities sometimes take almost perverse pleasure in punishing the innocent, while at the same time ignoring retarded aspects of BME cultures lest they be called 'racist'.   

   
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  gda

   it's really simple....you start with taking away what they value along with privileges. It lasts longer and is not degrading. The vid recording is another way to humiliate.  Every parent should have Nanny training
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  Pistoff

  I spanked my children, I wish I had not.

  I would not do it now.

  But I was raised in it, was taught to believe in it as scriptural.

  
  
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  Stealth

  My parents kept a belt hanging over the thermostat in the main hall as constant visual reminder of what you might get if.....  Back then it was normal to spank children. 

  The concept of time-out was not known at least not in our house. When we used time out concept with my young grandchildren I was amazed how well it works.

  No need to spank. 

  
  
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  Finkelstein

  But I was raised in it, was taught to believe in it as scriptural.

  It was scriptural in the bible to have children who overly dishonored their parents to have them killed.

  Hows that for punishment ???