"we are wonderfully made"

tetrapod.sapien

had a look at my wifes program from the DC on the weekend. the only part that interested me was from friday morning called "we are wonderfully made", or something like that.

if anyone can get me a transcript or an outline, i would really like to dissect it for fun.

thanks,
TS

GetBusyLiving

Interesting point. The statement is so absurd its laughable, all on its own.

GBL

almosthome

why is that laughable? It is just a scripture quote. Haven't been to the convention, (I am currently DF) but I feel sure they are applying it to individuals, not the organization.

"I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful, as my soul is very well aware."—Psalm 139:14.I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful, as my soul is very well aware."—Psalm 139:14.

It might well be encouragement to view oneself as worthy. Heaven knows in this world that is needed! Did you ask her what it was about?

al

tetrapod.sapien

hi almosthome! welcome to the board!!

why is that laughable?

it's laughable not only because the evidence for evolution is overwhelming, but because the society is so scholastically dishonest that using scripture to back their misquoting lies is a great never-ending farce.

Did you ask her what it was about?

yes. this is what i gathered:

RunningMan

This reminds me of a great quote from Douglas Adams regarding the creationist argument that we perfectly fit out environment, therefore we must have been created for it.

"To illustrate the vain conceit that the universe must be somehow pre-ordained for us, because we are so well-suited to live in it, he [Adams] mimed a wonderfully funny imitation of a puddle of water, fitting itself snugly into a depression in the ground, the depression uncannily being exactly the same shape as the puddle."
-- Richard Dawkins, in "Lament for Douglas" (14 May 2001)

Forscher

While I was going to college I took the same anatomy and physiology courses that RNs are required to take. And that phrase about howonderfully we are made kept coming back to me time and time again. Their little talk just cannot even begin to impress one the way those classes did for me!

tetrapod.sapien

just wondering if anyone who has gone to their DC recorded the talk, or took really good notes?

my wife's notes are pathetic.

thanks,

TS

zagor

"To illustrate the vain conceit that the universe must be somehow pre-ordained for us, because we are so well-suited to live in it, he [Adams] mimed a wonderfully funny imitation of a puddle of water, fitting itself snugly into a depression in the ground, the depression uncannily being exactly the same shape as the puddle."

-- Richard Dawkins, in "Lament for Douglas" (14 May 2001)

I do not consider myself as a believer at least not in a classical sense but I would tend to disagree with this statement. This statement apparently attempts to make suggestion that we are direct byproduct of the universe we are in and its characteristics. Which in principle is fine. However, such statement has perhaps "undesired" effect as it suggests that life is so easily generated anywhere as conditions in this universe make it possible to thrive. Such reasoning is rather preposterous.

Universe is very hostile place and all our speculations about possible alien civilizations are exactly that - speculations. IF we are to assume that in other worlds different biological footprint would be possible, say, not carbon based but, hydrogen, helium or even pure energy does that also mean that evolution could still be used as a vehicle?

Highly unlikely if universe has equal fundamental characteristics which would reinforce one and discard the other base of life’s foundation. So where does that leave analogy about puddle and the depression? It is rather philosophical attempt to cut through complexities of the universe and our own world in it in order to make point that would make believers in design insecure. This analogy is to me as dogmatic and simplistic as anything I’ve ever read in religious literature.

tetrapod.sapien

zagor,

i think he was saying that complexity seems complex only by the benefit of evolutionary hindsight. he was not saying the universe it perfect for us, but only that it seems that way to us, since we are living it in already.

Terry

Universe is very hostile place and all our speculations about possible alien civilizations are exactly that - speculations

The Universe is "hostile" to those who cannot function in it. Just like a fellow we cannot spell finds a spelling test "hostile".

Adapt or become lunch is the rule of order.

With the vast vistas of space and planets no life has been found elsewhere. This only serves to prove how quirky the manifestation of life (in our knowable form) is and how much specificity is fundamental to its continuance.

"we are wonderfully made"

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