List of things banned to JWs (page 2)

Danny, thank you for posting that incredible list of J-dubbery malarky. It was overwhelming to see all the crap I used to take for granted laid out in black and white. Can't believe I was once so fogged with that man-made shite that I just went along with it. But, as time goes by just about everyone gets to their own saturation level and stands up and says, if only to themselves, ENOUGH ALREADY!!! That's all it takes for most people to start to think..one little crack in the picture. For me it really started after attending one of those "Special Meetings" where a film was shown about the glories of the New System: no more sickness, no more blindness yadayadayada. While all this stuff was chundering on a tiny little thought hit me like a pop-up window: this is nothing more than blatant manipulation of our emotions. They fed us stuff like that because we were FORBIDDEN so much.

chrissy

Oh my gaaa. I am shocked just looking at that list and remembering things that are outlawed. I can see if you grew up without ever having any of it and not knowing any better, but the fact that they are still able to get people at the door to convert with all of these insane restrictions? Are people really all that excited about living forever or something that they buy into it without thoroughly researching it first? wowsers.

What about personal events like marriage anniversaries?

Yes, this is the only personal event you can recognize and celebrate, basically. That and the memorial observation of Christ's death.

I wonder if the study group she is in knows that we were BOTH in the military before

It will be ok if she is no longer engaged in the military. Yes, they are anti-war, anti-military, anti-patriotism preferring to remain neutral in all things political. Growing up, I had a friend who's dad was sent to jail for refusing to go to war after he was drafted for Vietnam (as all faithful jw young men at the time did). He is like a local hero in the circuit.

Yes, and if she stumbles someone with basically anything her fellow kingdom hall goer's deemed unchristian and disturbing...well forget it. She may have to give that up, wether it be first born child or anything shaped like a heart. (cause the origin of heart shapes are evil as well, you know).

georgefoster

I also have a jw wife. The list of rules is ridiculous, but I confront my wife about them, she tries to say that the rules are really optional, she just chooses to follow them because she agrees with the reasoning. The smoking may be your ace in the hole, because for whatever stupid reason it seems to be a huge deal to the jws. Good luck.

goldie

There is something else you could point out to your wife... One of the WTS's biggest protectors is the apostate literature blockaid. Anything that is not seen in their perspective automatically becomes apostate literature. Even their own literature. That is why their own literature that is in the Kingdom hall library only dates back to a particular year. I am think the 60's, but it has been a while since I touched on the actual cut off year. The reason is their own history. Most JW's don't know the history of the religion, as far as where the original teachings came from and how they have developed since the 1800's. Think about it, their own history is filtered to them. Dig into the history and it will make your wife's stomach turn. As a witness I was told not to research outside of the current literature. I would like to point out the notion of "TRUTH". If truth is truley important, get books and documents on it and point it out to your wife. A significant amount of books that document an abundant amount of disheartening evidence of one of the greatest scandles is out there. If she comes back from talking with a JW about not reading or reviewing any of it and says it is apostate literature. I like to point out what apostate means, "One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause." If a person is going to dedicate their LIFE to this organization (by the list above, you would think someone would weigh it carfully) one should be sure that the TRUTH is being taught. There are a lot of good people who are convinced that this is God's ONE true religion, but they also don't know beyond what they are taught at the Kingdom Hall. They are willing to die for what they believe. There is a very high suicide rate, if that gives an idea of how far the teachings go. A good website to help get started is http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm I am sure there are even better sites, but I just found this one and thought it might help. I would get started right away if I were you ;) Good luck

Ellie

Apparentely its ok to join the police now although last year it was frowned upon

DannyBloem

It is okay to join the police I was only you can't wear a gun.

Englishman

But you can go into pubs.

My Dad use to hold his Circuit Ministers meetings in "The Load of Hay", Bedfont..

Englishman.

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I've never needed a transfusion before anyway, and besides, they told me that doctors have blood substitute now

This is NOT true.

There are surgical techniques that can help reduce blood loss during surugry, blood expanders, drugs to make the body produce more blood, and other things like that. However, there is no such thing as a blood substitute. I challenger her to produce any information about such a thing from a reputable medical journal.

Regarding the blood expanders, they basically adding more fluid to the body to increase blood volume to prevent the hear from going into fibulation - but it does NOT increase the bloods abilty to carry oxygen.

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SOURCE: American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
2001;185:893-895.

Childbirth Death Risk High in Jehovah's Witnesses

Thursday November 8 5:32 PM ET

By Charnicia E. Huggins

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) -Women who are Jehovah's Witnesses have a dramatically increased risk of death due to excessive blood loss during childbirth and their refusal to replenish this loss with donated blood, according to the results of a study.

Blood transfusions are the conventional treatment for obstetric hemorrhage, or excessive blood loss, but such procedures, along with any other medical treatments that involve the administration of blood or blood products, are forbidden by the Jehovah's Witness religion.

"Pregnancy is safe for women who accept blood products,'' lead study author Dr. Carl J. Saphier of Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York told Reuters Health.

Those who reject such products, on the other hand, may have an increased risk of mortality, "but it may be minimized by giving appropriate care,'' he said.

Saphier and his colleagues investigated the risk of maternal death in a study of 332 Jehovah's Witnesses who gave birth at Mount Sinai Medical Center from January 1988 through December 1999.

Nearly 400 deliveries--both vaginal and Cesarean--took place during the study period, and 24 patients (6%) experienced an obstetric hemorrhage, Saphier and his colleagues report in the October issue of the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology (news - web sites).

Two women died from the hemorrhage, corresponding to a rate of 521 deaths per 100,000 live births--a maternal death rate nearly 44 times higher than that among the general US population, the report indicates.

Currently, treating obstetric hemorrhage and certain other conditions among Jehovah's Witnesses may involve the use of blood-free products called volume expanders--solutions that are mixed with the patient's own blood to make up for blood lost during surgery--or cell savers, which are devices that collect and recycle the patient's blood.

For one of the patients who died, however, the cell saver treatment was ineffective because she had already lost large amounts of blood vaginally, the authors note.

"The findings imply that special care is required for women who are Jehovah's Witnesses, including special counseling prior to delivery, methods of minimizing the blood loss at delivery, and fast treatment for any hemorrhage,'' Saphier said.

SOURCE: American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
2001;185:893-895.

loosie

This would be my plan if I were a man. Get really good at the oral sex thing. Then show her, really show her what you've learned. And then tell her that you can't do that for her anymore, If she continues studying. I don't know any woman who can resist a skilled husband.

Oh I hope my post doesn't get deleted

List of things banned to JWs

Preston

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