by skyman 19 Replies latest jw friends
To me not believing that they were alive and human living at the same time as us is like believing in the tooth fairy. DNA proves the Neanderthals lived and were human but not us. They lived worshipped wore Jewry and buried their dead.
The Hobbit or little people live with us at the same time but is not us yet was human. Question if you don’t believe this tell me why you don;t believe the facts proven by DNA and archeology? Also comment what it means to your understanding of the scriptures?
One certainly wonders what some people think.
skyman
wore Jewry
I have a little Shylock ring, if that's what you mean...
Look, dude, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. I think you are talking about Homo floresiensis and asking whether people think they lived at the same time as H. sapiens.
Well they did. Although research into H. floresiensis is still fresh, that seems certain. However, thus far they've only been discovered on one small island. You must realise that H floresiensis had a chimp-size brain, in other words, a brain one-third the size of a H. sapiens child the same size.
You are grouping them as the same species as H. sapiens, in fact cladistically speaking they aren't thus the different name - they'r most likely to have evolved from H. erectus, just as H. sapiens did, but without the selection pressure that lead to our bug brains
If you're lookig for a nice scientific validation of the common stories of the little people (dwarves, hobbits, eleves, gnomes, brownies, etc.), then you haven't got it.
The range of H floresiensis would have to be far larger to develop such a universal myth, and also the level of intelligence they would have had is atypical with most stories of the little people.
The Hobbit or little people live with us at the same time but is not us yet was human.
H. Sapiens are not the pinnacle of nature. the Flores "hobbit" was not on it's way to becomming human. they were what they were, and we are what we are. that's all.
it's true that the finds on Flores have been a kind of PR boon to cryptozoologists. but it doesn't mean now that the claims by cryptozoologists are factual. it simply means that we have discovered a new spcies of homo on Flores that also coincide with folk tales of "little people who eat everything".
it is an interesting topic skyman. perhaps you could explain what you are getting at with your thread, so we can talk about it more. honestly, i had a hard time reading it. sorry.
TS
Also comment what it means to your understanding of the scriptures?
sorry, i missed this.
if anything, it means to me that noah did a crappy job of making sure that Homo Floresiensis (and Homo Neanderthalis for that matter), where on the bloody ark LOL.
if anything, it makes genesis look like even more of a joke. evolution shows that humans where not special creation. it makes the concept of imperfection and salvation obsolete in my mind. and since there are apparently some strict over riding themes in the Good Book, it throws the whole bible into the category of Ancient Fiction Literature, for me.
That is what I am after. This proves that at least the JW's world is not how it really happened. The Nenderthal's DNA proves the JW's theories are out the door. As far as the Hobbits, yes they had smaller brains but the National Geografic article stated that the skull under the microscope showed that their skull has ripples showing they had a highly logical thinking brain way above that of an equal size chimp brain. These people thought like us and made stone tools and the stories from the locals say that they looked like us also.
What I am asking how can you believe the bible when even the Society admits that DNA is accurate so the Neaderthal throws a big question out there that the world of the JW's with their literal interpretation of the scriptures is not true.
Hobbits are real... There were quiet a few here in NZ a little while ago, obsessed with a ring if I recall.
I don't know where they all got to but at least one has turned up on "Lost"
Ya thats is right I loved to watch them glad they saved the world
What I am asking how can you believe the bible when even the Society admits that DNA is accurate so the Neaderthal throws a big question out there that the world of the JW's with their literal interpretation of the scriptures is not true.
That's a bit of a strawman, a person admitting the accuracy of DNA doesn't necessarily mean they accept evolution, the two beliefs don't necessitate the belief in both (of course, it's very hard to get DNA from fossils, too; impossible until relatively recently).
BTW, I came across an interesting article on something like this (apparently the .2% that differentiates races is actually a big difference after all). http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050618.wxrace0618/BNStory/Front/ It's a bit long, though.
it simply means that we have discovered a new spcies of homo on Flores that also coincide with folk tales of "little people who eat everythingIs it a new species, or could it be something of a young homo erectus or one of its predecessors?
H. floresiensis is believed to be decended from H. erectus, and shows no different technology to them.
It is currently thought that the line ending in H. sapiens actually decended from H. ergaster, which was the African variety of H. erectus that developed into H. hidelbergenus and then H. sapiens. The Asian H. Erectus died out and is not directly related to modern man.
However, it is now very likely that H. sapiens existed alongside relic populations of protohumans such as H. erectus or H. floresiensis up until 30,000 years ago, as well as alongside Neanderthals which we now know were probably pretty much identical in most ways to modern man (i.e. we now know they had the same vocal capabilities (much to Jean Auel's disappointment), but simply aren't our ancestors
