Mary's baby?

by nicolaou 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Aaaaarrgh!

    Like so many others, I'm trying to do the slow fade from JWdom. Don't need to give you all the details again but wanted to share something that has really started to bug me!

    My mother!!
    I love her to bits - BUT!

    Now that she knows I have doubts about the 'Truth', now that she is aware that I might not accept the 'Society' as Jehovah's Channel she seems ready to think that I am capable of condoning any immoral act or believing every unscriptural teaching!

    Aaaaarrgh!

    My sister, (I'll call her Mary), and her husband, both JW's, have been unable to conceive since they married in the mid 90's. They've tried IVF without success but have chosen not to go down the route of freezing embryo's because of the WT stand on this issue and, to be fair, their own moral objections to it. Fair enough.

    When I tactfully tried to discuss this with my Mum she immediately jumped to the conclusion that "now I even support abortion!"
    In fact I don't - though I hope I'm a lot more tolerant of others opinions on this emotive issue than I once was.

    The thing is, I was just trying to reason with Mum about the options open to Mary. I tried to explain that a womans body will naturally and spontaneously abort four times as many embryos as it will accept and nurture to full term.

    I asked if it could really be termed abortion if some embryos did not survive - if this was a part of the process involved to create a new child for Mary and her husband.
    The whole point of the process would not be to destroy life but to CREATE IT!

    After all, they would only be trying to carry out their Creators command to be fruitful. And it may well have taken ALL the embryos produced to ensure a succesful pregnancy anyway!

    Mary is a sweet, and loving woman. She would make a great Mum! Her child would grow up with parents who had struggled to bring their child into existence - they would undoubtedly cherish it. It would have loving uncles, aunts, cousins and granparents.

    My Mum was torn. Of course she wants her own daughter to experience motherhood. Of course she would like another grandchild and love it dearly - but she still feels the price to be paid would be too high.

    And now she looks at me as if she barely recognises me for even suggesting that Mary should think about her options.

    I love my Mum but it seems that in her eyes I am gradually 'siding with Satan'.
    I can see the pain in her face when she looks at her son who once pioneered and served the congregation as its favourite rising star.

    For those of you who know what I am up to - I AM SO READY TO SCREW THE WATCHTOWER TILL IT SQUEALS!

    Nic'
    angry, hurting, vengeful and feel very fucking unchristian today...........

    . http://communities.msn.co.uk/altJehovahsWitnesses

  • Tina
    Tina

    ((((((((((((nic)))))))))))
    Hang in there!
    I know your frustrations. Yep,we all become hedonistic,alcoholic immoral debased per WTS indoctrination. That thought stopping always kicks in.Sad isn't it? I've dealth with that as well with my mum.
    And it's perfectly Ok to feel what your feeling. It's a normal response to abnormal thinking.......hugs,Tina

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    If apostates were as morally corrupt as the Borg teaches its remaining dopes, there would be lots of KHs mysteriously catching on fire!!!

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Tina, thanks for your support - again! Though I still feel like inserting several very spiny pineapples up the collective arseholes of the 'Governing Body' for the way the ruin the lives of people like Mary.
    A hug is always a good thing!

    MadApostate, don't bloody tempt me!

    Nic'

    . http://communities.msn.co.uk/altJehovahsWitnesses

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    "... All the same, wisdom is proved righteous by its works." Matt 11:19 Reality can be denied for only so long. Keep it in front of them.

    -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

  • montag
    montag
    we all become hedonistic,alcoholic immoral debased per WTS indoctrination

    So just like 20% of the dubs right?.

    I am constantly amazed at how the average dub can spot the smallest flaw in a non-dub but fail to see their own not-so-shortcomings and the pain and anguish they cause for so many others like Mary.

    Hope your sister works things out Nic!

    Montag
    [so has anybody here read 'farenheit 451'?]

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    Has your sister tried Wild Yam cream? It's a natural progesterone cream, and you can buy it in many health food stores, in the U.S. It balances hormones, and allows many women to conceive who were unable to before. It also can help prevent miscarriage. Just a thought. I personally know two women this happened to, that had been battling infertility for years.

    Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Yam cream?

    Very Biblical I must say! I Yam that I Yam..........

    Englishman.

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    Okay English.....guy. It's yam cream, extracted from the wild Mexican yams, not like a sweet potato.

    A woman rubs a tiny amount, about the size of a pea, into her forearm, upper chest, or behind the knees, anywhere the skin is thin. It allows her to ovulate, more regularly, by balancing estrogen and progesterone. Those hormones, out of balance, are a very common cause of infertility. It also helps with PMS and menopause.

    Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

  • mommy
    mommy

    Nic,
    I am with Tina here and am ready to hand out the (((((hugs))))) I recently spoke to my mom and she told me what an awful bunch of lieing, cheating, demonized lot all of you here on Jw.com were. I asked her if she realized that 99% here are humans, with real feelings, that have been hurt. Families who no longer treat them the same, and lives overturned due to leaving the org. Of course not, you are all a lieing, cheating, demonized lot.

    I was amazed by Fred hall, the other day. I think he may have been here way to long. He said, he even realized that some of us were good hearted people. Of course I did my usual and didn't reply to him, but maybe if we can overcome one individual at a time, perhaps we are not lost to the likes of satan.

    It will never be the same relationship, as when you are in. BUT, if we continue to uphold our morals and prove to them we haven't thrown them out the window, perhaps...

    I personally was told I would never concieve again. I never tried any special procedures to become fertile, I didn't had the heart if it failed. I can only imagine what your sister and her hubby are going through. But, by some miracle I am now pregnant, and man am I laughing in all of those doctors faces now.

    Mulan,
    I often used Wild Yam at certain times of the month, sweeeeeet stuff.
    wendy

    In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

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