Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock

Kent

You can find Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock in many languages on The Watchtower Observer, such as English, Spanish, Polish, Portuguese, French, Finnish and German. But there is also lots of other sites that carry the book.

There is a NEW "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock" coming soon, and I hope to be able to bring the "New Light" in a short while

Anyway: Here is some sites that carry "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock"

http://www.hedning.no/hedning/arkiv/jv/index.htm

http://home2.inet.tele.dk/carloc/

http://www.powertech.no/hedning/arkiv/jv/

http://www.anarchy.no/hedning/arkiv/jv/index.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Elders_Book/2index.html

http://www.douknow.net/jw_manual1.htm

http://www.kki.net.pl/~ksk3/ (polish)

http://www.angelfire.com/mo/flockbook/

Yakki Da

Kent

"The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
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nytelecom1

ken.

just curious

i know there was a web site that had the book posted but then had it removed by the provider because of legal action (i think)

was that you and have you ever heard from the org reagarding this stuff?

Kent

Hi nytelecom1

Many years ago there was a TV program in Norway, and the Watchtower Heroes in the program (Niels Petersen and Staale Hegna) were lying all over the place about the contents of this book.

So, I posted some of it online, to prove them liars. This was noticed all over the world, and the Watchtower's legal department went bananas. They ordered(!) the Norwegian Branch Office to file a complaint to the police about this, and their Norwegian lawyer, a complete fool named Haakon Helstedt, said to Norwegian Press they would sue me for economical damage!

Nobody would believe a lawyer to be such a foolish asshole, but he did actually say that, and I said "Thanks, moron!".

They started sending a complaint to Telenor, who is an ISP in Norway. Telenor had nothing to do with this, and the chapter in question was on the server of another ISP!

Anyway, I asked The Norwegian Heathen Society to host the complete book, and they wanted to do that. In fact, they wanted a fight with the Watchtower drones in legal dep. So they did ( http://www.hedning.no/hedning/arkiv/jv/index.htm).

Then Telenor asked me to remove the pages, via MY ISP who bought the lines from them. I did, and I posted the COMPLETE book as frames, and of course the link to The Norwegian Heathen Society.

Then the Watchtower filed a complaint. The idiots didn't know the difference between a frame and anything else, and their "proof" delivered to the police were just stupid.

They filed a complaint against ME and against JanH (Jan Haugland). Jan because he had a link to the book! But the idiots did NOT file a complaint against the Heathen Society, and we could prove they only wanted to harass us.

The police just laughed, and dropped the case. And the result - the case were all aover the net. TIME Magazine made a discussion board just for this case, and News Releases about the event was sent to more than 1000 newspapers around the world.

In Norway it was all over the place, also the Norwegian Broadcastin Corporation made the best of it.

And - the poor Haakon Helstedt - was once again the absolute fool! LOL

I just can't imagine how such a guy can be a lawyer. The only thing he needs to do is showing his face, and they have lost the case :)))

Yakki Da

Kent

"The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://watchtower.observer.org

Ustabee

Kent:

Thanks for posting the url's on this book. Anyone up for a JC meeting needs to read this book. In my experience, most BOE's didn't follow the procedures outlined in it anyway.

Frankly, though, if you are up for a JC, you ought to tell them to get lost and go your own way. According to this book you can be disfellowshipped for having a person's vehicle parked outside your house all night! Think about it!

Thanks again, Kent!

Regards from your ugliest post reader.

nytelecom1

i think there should be a board for really bad legal and or business actions the Society has taken as in the case of this...Like trying to build a highrise off of Furman and ruin everyone elses view of Manhattan.........hey when you are directed by god...you are never wrong ????

just for entertainment purposes that is

NotBlind

Interestingly, I saw a copy of the "Flock" book for sale on E-bay a couple of days ago. The current bid price was well over $100.00 US, which is WAY too much for a book that isn't even ten years old.

Anyway, I did think about buying it, then hauling it to the Kingdom Hall and showing it to the elders.

"Look what I bought on e-bay! This is a really good book!"

I'd love to see the expression on their faces.........

Anchor

Shhhhhhhh

The new Flock book was due for release to those with special needs, like Service Departments, August 1

don't-tell-anybody

-A

Stephanus

So, if there really is a revised Flock book coming out (and I wouldn't be surprised considering current circumstances), how long will it take to get it up on the internet? If the WBTS were really clever, they could try coding the book, perhaps with a different form of a certain non-critical sentence in each copy so that they could track down the leak. It would be hugely expensive to print off a different edition for each elder (although only one page would need to be different), Brooklyn could be so paranoid about the leaks so as to attempt something like this; they could see the catching of such "apostates" as an important moral victory.

Maximus

Stephanus, that is already routinely done with certain letters to bodies of elders, not with any great degree of sophistication but just enough to produce "healthy" fear. Symbols, variance of greeting, closing ....

One elder, not looking forward to his school this December, lamented that these sessions are the most boring things anyone can imagine.

Ah, but they are SECRET! Can anyone tell me the Scriptural basis for that?

Max

Farkel

Maximus,

This is TOO easy!

: Ah, but they are SECRET! Can anyone tell me the Scriptural basis for that?

To paraphrase:

"Never let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."

This is one of those idiotic scriptures I wrestled with as a dub. Does this mean that the "right hand" knows all the stuff and makes sure the "left hand" knows none of the stuff. If so, WHY? What is so wrong with the left hand that the right hand would hold secrets from it? None of this is explained. We are just expected to gulp it down and assume it means something important.

Right Hand to Left Hand: "I'm not supposed to let you know what is going on.

Left Hand to Right Hand: "Why not? What did I do? After all, we are both attached to the same body and we're supposed to work together, aren't we?

Right Hand: Apparently we're not.

Left Hand: Yeah, but I used to like to play the piano with you and I NEED you.

Right Hand: Yeah? Well, we can't do that anymore. The rules have changed.

Left Hand: Ah, shit!

Left Hand again: well, then I ain't gonna tell you anything that I'm doing either, bubba.

Right Hand: Dick.

Left Hand: fair play is fair play. Quid Pro Quo.

Right Hand: Shut up!

Left Hand: How do we clap hands, then?

Right Hand: do it yourself. I'm done with you. I'm a Christian now.

Left Hand. Ok. I'll try. Maybe I'll find some Zen Buddhist to help me figure out this goofy rule.

Right Hand: Ha! You'll never get the answer to how one hand can make a sound clapping, dummy.

Left Hand: You don't understand Zen, do you?

Right Hand: No, I don't. I understand Christ.

Left Hand: Zen is pretty kewl.

Right Hand: Maybe so, but Christ and His God can kill you anytime they wish.

Left Hand: Yes, they can. Because of that, I'll take Zen any old day. They don't want to kill you: they just want to enlighten you.

Farkel

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