Comments You Will Not Hear at the 6-26-05 WT Study (Exercise Restraint)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 6-26-05 WT Study (May 15, 2005 issue date)

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    'KEEP YOURSELF RESTRAINED UNDER EVIL'

    "A slave of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward

    all, keeping himself restrained under evil.''-2 TIMOTHY 2:24.

    Opening Comments

    Well, times are tough for the rank and file. Evil is everywhere at the door, in the family, and at the KH. They don’t seem to have been doing well at keeping themselves restrained under evil, with the elders the worst culprits.

    Elders yell at each other, at the MS, at their wife and children, at the rank and file, and at the CO at times. The worse experience I had at the door was when an elder started a loud argument with a man over the flag salute. We could be heard in the next county and I was worried a gun might become involved. Even when I stopped the argument and make a get away, the elder was still yellowing about it.

    I saw 2 sisters get into it screaming into each others face, elders wives unfortunately.

    And those evil apostates, waving their signs and daring to suggest that WTS makes mistakes, has made mistakes. While the WTS is not infallible, they don’t make mistakes. If they do, don’t talk about them or they will kick you out.

    Have you noticed JWs, old friends and family not exercising restraint?

    HOW do you react when you are confronted by those who are not favorably

    disposed toward you or toward what you represent ? In his description of the

    last days, the apostle Paul foretold that people would be "blasphemers, . .

    . slanderers, without self-control, fierce ." (2 Timothy 3:1-5, 12) You may

    encounter such individuals in your ministry or in other activities.

    • Those who are not favorably disposed toward you or toward what you represent?
  • Favorably disposed
  • —buzz phrase
    Can you imagine why people are not happy to see JWs come to their door? They come unannounced, without an invitation, without an appointment, to tell people their beliefs are wrong and they are going to die if they don’t change.

    • Blasphemers, slanderers, without self-control, fierce
    • Encounter such individuals in your ministry or other activities
    Already the WTS has painted a negative picture of these people, blasphemers, slanderers, without self-control, fierce. Will the average JW have any hope that these people will listen having already consigned them to Gehenna?

    2 Not everyone who indulges in verbal abuse lacks all interest in what is

    right . Extreme hardship or frustration may cause people to lash out at

    whoever is around them. (Ecclesiastes 7:7) Many act this way because they

    live and work in an environment where rough speech is common . This does not

    make such speech acceptable for us as Christians, but it does help us to

    understand why other people use it . How should we react to harsh speech?

    Proverbs 19:11 states: "The insight of a man certainly slows down his

    anger." And Romans 12:17, 18 advises us: "Return evil for evil to no one. .

    . . If possible, as far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men."

    • Not everyone indulges in verbal abuse lacks all interest in what is right.

    Notice how the WTS assumes that they and the JW calling is right and the person behind the door is wrong.

    • Extreme hardship or frustration (may be the cause)
    • Live and work in an environment where rough speech is common

    Once again the WTS assumes that the people behind the door have no redeeming qualities.

    • Us as Christians—a buzz phrase meaning only JWs
    • How should we react to harsh speech?

    3 If we truly are peaceable, this will be evident in the spirit that we

    show. It will be reflected in what we say and do, perhaps also in our facial

    expression and in our tone of voice . (Proverbs 17:27) When sending his

    apostles out to preach, Jesus counseled them: "When you are entering into

    the house, greet the household ["wish the house peace," The New English

    Bible]; and if the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon

    it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you."

    (Matthew 10:12, 13) The message that we bear is good news. The Bible calls

    it "the good news of peace," "the good news of the undeserved kindness of

    God," and "this good news of the kingdom." (Ephesians 6:15; Acts 20:24;

    Matthew 24:14) Our objective is, not to criticize the other person's beliefs

    or to argue with him about his viewpoints , but to share with him good news

    from God's Word.
    • Peaceable
  • Reflected in what we say and do
  • Facial expression and in our tone of voice
  • Greet household; if the house is deserving; peace you wish it come upon it
  • If it is not deserving, let the peace from you return
  • Can you remember those days when JWs lacked enthusiasm because they assumed no one would listen? How they trotted out a canned presentation without warmth and interest in the person behind the door?
    w95 10/15 p. 26 What Future for the Sheep and the Goats? ***

    Many people may not personally have attacked Christ's representatives, but neither have they treated his people lovingly. Preferring the wicked world, goatlike ones reject the Kingdom message, whether hearing it directly or indirectly.

    w50 6/1 p. 176 Field Experience ***

    While group witnessing in Pasadena, California, finding very little interest, I came to a house on the corner. A goatish woman at the door cared more for her religious fodder than for the bread of life,

    w65 3/15 p. 176 Our Own Twentieth-Century Generation and the Resurrection ***

    The undedicated children of goatish people will not be spared from execution and being sentenced to Gehenna just because they are themselves minor, unresponsible children.

    • Message; good news, of peace, undeserved kindness, of the kingdom
    • Our objective is, not to criticize the other person's beliefs or to argue with him about his viewpoints
    km 8/02 p. 8 Be a Communicator! ***

    On the other hand, a superior attitude repels. Thus, although we are firmly convinced that we have the truth, we wisely avoid speaking in a dogmatic

    What if the person's comments reflect beliefs that are out of harmony with what the Bible teaches? Are we under obligation to correct him? Yes , in due course, but we do not have to try to do so on the initial call.

    4 Without really listening, a householder may abruptly state, "I am not

    interested." In many cases, it is possible to say , "I was hoping to read

    just this one brief text from the Bible ." He may not object to that. In

    other cases, it may be appropriate to say: "I was hoping to tell you about a

    time when there will be no injustice and all people will learn to love one

    another ." If that does not promptly elicit a request for an explanation, you

    might add: "But evidently this is not a convenient time for you." Even if

    the householder's response is not peaceable, should we conclude that he is

    "not deserving"? Regardless of the reaction, remember the Bible's counsel to

    be "gentle toward all, . . . restrained under evil."-2 Timothy 2:24.
    • Without really listening
  • Householder
  • —buzz word meaning the person behind the door; engenders true Christian feeling, eh?
  • May
  • abruptly state, "I am not interested."—abruptly meaning without knowing what they aren’t interested in, as if JWs had never called before.
  • Hoping to read just this one
  • brief text from the Bible—Have you ever seen some JWs think this means an invitation to read several scriptures?
  • Evidently this is not a convenient time for you!!!!!!!!!!
  • Householder's response not peaceable doesn't men not deserving (note scripture used in paragraph 3)
  • Insolent but Misguided

    5 In the first century, a man named Saul was well-known for his

    disrespectful speech, even for his violent behavior . The Bible says that he

    was "breathing threat and murder against the disciples of the Lord." (Acts

    9: 1,2) He later acknowledged that he had been "a blasphemer and a

    persecutor and an insolent man." (1 Timothy 1:13) Although some of his

    relatives
    may already have become Christians , he said of his own attitude

    toward Christ's followers: "Since I was extremely mad against them, I went

    so far as to persecuting them even in outside cities." (Acts 23: 16; 26:11;

    Romans 16:7, 11) There is no evidence that the disciples tried to engage

    Saul in public debate while he was conducting himself in that manner.
    • Disrespectful speech, violent behavior
  • Breathing threat and murder
  • Do you get the idea that the WTS is preparing the rank and file for some heavy duty persecution?

    • Although some of his relatives may already have become Christians

    This is a perfect example as to how the WTS adds to the Bible.

    • No evidence that the disciples tried to engage Saul in public debate
    Yes, the rank and file should not engage in debate on the doorstep especially with anyone who has actually studied the Bible.

    6 Why did Saul act like that? Years later, he wrote : "I was ignorant and

    acted with a lack of faith." (1 Timothy 1:13) He was a Pharisee, educated

    "according to the strictness of the ancestral Law." (Acts 22:3) Though

    Saul's teacher Gamaliel was evidently somewhat broad-minded, high priest

    Caiaphas, with whom Saul came to be associated, proved to be fanatic.

    Caiaphas had been a ringleader in the plot that led to the execution of

    Jesus Christ. (Matthew 26:3, 4, 63-66; Acts 5:34-39) After that, Caiaphas

    saw to it that the apostles of Jesus were flogged, and he sternly ordered

    them to quit preaching on the basis of Jesus' name. Caiaphas presided over

    the Sanhedrin at the emotionally charged session during which Stephen was

    taken away to be stoned. (Acts 5:27, 28, 40; 7:1-60) Saul observed the

    stoning, and Caiaphas authorized him to follow through on further efforts to

    suppress the followers of Jesus by arresting them in Damascus. (Acts 8:1;

    9:1, 2) Under this influence, Saul thought that his conduct gave evidence of

    zeal for God, but he actually lacked real faith. (Acts 22:3-5) As a result,

    Saul failed to realize that Jesus was the true Messiah . But Saul came to his

    senses when the resurrected Jesus miraculously spoke to him on the road to

    Damascus.-Acts 9:3-6.

    • Ignorant and lack of faith
    • Lacked real faith
    • Failed to realize that Jesus was the true Messiah

    How many JWs know who the 12 apostles were without looking it up?

    How many can explain what changed about the 1914 generation doctrine (assuming they realized it changed)?

    Why are they called Jehovah’s Witnesses and not Jesus Witnesses (Acts 1:8)?

    How many JWs know that they are not Jesus’ brothers; that God is just their friend not their father; and that he is not their mediator?

    7 Shortly after this, the disciple Ananias was dispatched to witness to

    Saul. Would you have been eager to make that call? Ananias was apprehensive,

    but he spoke to Saul in a kind way. Saul's attitude had changed as a result

    of his miraculous encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus. (Acts

    9:10-22) He came to be known as the apostle Paul, a zealous Christian

    missionary.
    This should get people out on Saturday, telling them they will be calling on people breathing murder.

    Mild-Tempered but Courageous

    8 Jesus was a zealous Kingdom proclaimer who was mild-tempered but

    courageous in dealing with people. (Matthew 11:29) He reflected the spirit

    of his heavenly Father, who urges the wicked to turn from their bad ways.

    (Isaiah 55:6, 7) In dealing with sinners, Jesus took note when there was

    evidence of a change for the better, and he encouraged such individuals.

    (Luke 7:37-50; 19:2-10) Rather than judging others on the basis of outward

    appearances , Jesus imitated his Father's kindness, forbearance, and

    long-suffering with a view to leading them to repentance. (Romans 2:4) It is

    Jehovah's will that people of all sorts should repent and be saved.-1

    Timothy 2:3, 4.

    Jesus took note when there was evidence of change for the better

    Rather than judging on the basis of outward appearances

    w02 9/1 p. 21 Imitate the Great Teacher ***

    Unlike Jesus, we cannot read hearts.

    w01 7/15 p. 23 Are You Truly Tolerant?

    As a perfect man with special God-given insight, he could read hearts. Unlike Jesus, we lack the ability to read hearts.

    Are they suggesting that JWs have the same abilities Jesus had to read people’s hearts?

    Would a JW in the first century have eaten with a tax collector, a Pharisee, and let a woman with a bad reputation put oil on his feet?

    9 Giving Jehovah's view of Jesus Christ, the Gospel writer Matthew quotes

    these prophetic words: "Look! My servant whom I chose, my beloved, whom my

    soul approved! I will put my spirit upon him, and what justice is he will

    make clear to the nations. He will not wrangle, nor cry aloud, nor will

    anyone hear his voice in the broad ways. No bruised reed will he crush, and

    no smoldering flaxen wick will he extinguish, until he sends out justice

    with success. Indeed, in his name nations will hope." (Matthew 12:17-21;

    Isaiah 42:1-4) Consistent with those prophetic words , Jesus did not indulge

    in noisy arguments . Even when under pressure, he spoke the truth in a manner

    that appealed to honesthearted ones.-John 7:32, 40, 45, 46.

    So after quoting Matthew 12:17-21, the best idea they could get from it was that Jesus did not indulge in noisy arguments?

    Sounds to me that they are getting many reports of JWs wrangiing? Hmmmm.

    10 During his ministry, Jesus spoke to many Pharisees. Though some of them

    endeavored to trap him in his speech
    , Jesus did not conclude that all of

    them had bad motives
    . Simon, a Pharisee who was somewhat critical, evidently

    wanted to get a closer look at Jesus and invited him for a meal . Jesus

    accepted the invitation and witnessed to those present. (Luke 7: 36-50) On

    another occasion, a prominent Pharisee named Nicodemus came to Jesus under

    cover of night.
    Jesus did not reproach him for waiting until it was dark .

    Instead, he witnessed to Nicodemus about the love shown by God in sending

    his Son in order to open the way of salvation to those who would exercise

    faith. Jesus also kindly pointed out the importance of obedience to God's

    arrangement. (John 3:1-21) Nicodemus later spoke up in behalf of Jesus when

    a favorable report about Jesus was belittled by other Pharisees.-John

    7:46-51.

    Jesus did not conclude that all of them (Pharisees) had bad motives.

    JWs too often conclude their own members have bad motives; let alone non-JWs.

    JWs are reproached every week by the elders from the platform for not living up to the WTS goals.

    11 Jesus was not blind to the hypocrisy of those who were trying to entrap

    him. He did not allow opposers to lead him into fruitless debates. When

    appropriate, however, he did give brief, powerful replies by stating a

    principle, using an illustration, or quoting a scripture. (Matthew 12:38-42;

    15:1-9; 16:1-4) At other times, Jesus simply did not answer when it was

    evident that no good would be accomplished by doing so.-Mark 15:2-5; Luke

    22:67-70.

    Fruitless debates, are too many JWs doing this?

    But then, give brief, powerful replies; what does the WTS mean by that?

    At other times, Jesus simply did not answer.

    Now that is my advice when it comes to the elders; don’t debate them; it’s just pearls before swine.

    12 Occasionally, Jesus was shouted at by people under the control of unclean

    spirits . When that happened, he exercised restraint and even used his

    God-given power to bring relief. (Mark 1:23-28; 5:2-8, 15) If some peopie

    become angry and shout at us when we are engaging in the ministry , we

    similarly need to exercise restraint, and we should endeavor to handle such

    a situation in a kind and tactful manner.-Colossians 4:6.

    Met any demonized people at the doors?

    Within the Family

    13 The need for Jesus' followers to exercise restraint often becomes most

    evident within the family . A person whose heart is deeply touched by Bible

    truth longs for his family to respond in the same way. But as Jesus said,

    family members may show hostility . (Matthew 10:32-37; John 15:20, 21) There

    are various reasons for this. For instance, while Bible teachings can help

    us to become honest, responsible, and respectful, the Scriptures also teach

    that in any situation our higher responsibility is to our Creator.

    (Ecclesiastes 12: 1, 13; Acts 5:29) A family member who feels that his

    influence in the family is somehow being diminished because of our loyalty

    to Jehovah may take offense. When dealing with such a situation, how

    important it is that we follow Jesus' example of showing restraint!-1 Peter

    2:21-23; 3:1, 2.

    Now the enemies are in the family.

    Wives/husbands who feel that now they are a JW they don’t need to show respect and consideration to their mate. To constantly let them know they are second to God even in the areas where God says the mate comes first.

    14 Many now serving Jehovah had a marriage mate or other family member who

    was opposed to the changes they were making when they began studying the

    Bible. The opposers may have heard negative comments about Jehovah's

    Witnesses, and perhaps they feared that there would be an undesirable

    influence on the household. What caused them to change their attitude? In

    many cases, good example was a big factor. Because the believer steadfastly

    applied Bible counsel--regularly attending Christian meetings and

    participating in the ministry while also caring for family responsibilities

    and
    showing restraint in the face of any verbal abuse --family opposition

    sometimes softened.-1 Peter 2:12.

    The biggest mistake I see in families where only one mate is a JW is that the JW is not a good example.

    15 An opposer may also have refused to listen to any explanation from the
    Bible because of prejudice or pride. That was true of a man in the United

    States who said that he was very patriotic. One time, when his wife was at a

    convention, he took all his clothes and moved out. Another time, he left

    home with a gun and threatened to kill himself. He blamed her religion for

    any unreasonable conduct on his part. But she endeavored to keep applying

    Bible counsel . Twenty years after she became one of Jehovah's Witnesses, he

    did too.
    In Albania a woman became angry because her daughter studied the

    Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses and then got baptized . On 12 occasions the

    mother destroyed her daughter's copy of the Bible. Then one day she opened a

    new Bible that her daughter had left on a table
    . By chance, it opened to

    Matthew 10:36,
    and the mother realized that what was said there applied to

    her. Still, concerned about the daughter's welfare, the mother accompanied

    her to the boat when she was going to depart with other Witnesses for a

    convention in Italy. When the mother saw the love, hugs, and smiles of the

    group and heard their happy laughter, her feelings began to change. Soon

    after this, she agreed to study the Bible. Today she endeavors to help

    others who initially oppose.

    Now weren’t those realistic examples. One stays for 20 years with a husband who uses his gun to blackmail her. Then a mother who just happens to read the one scripture that changes her from the woman who destroyed 12 Bibles.

    16 In one instance, a knife-wielding husband confronted his wife , hurling

    bitter accusations at her as she approached the Kingdom Hall. She gently

    replied: "Come into the Kingdom Hall, and see for yourself." He did, and in

    time he became a Christian elder.

    Yes, if a person flashes a knife at me, I would know that the solution is to invite them to the KH.

    17 Even if everyone in your household is a Christian, there may be times

    when the family situation becomes tense and words even become harsh because

    of human imperfection. It is noteworthy that Christians in ancient Ephesus

    were counseled: "Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and

    screaming and abusive speech be taken away from you along with all badness."

    (Ephesians 4:31) Evidently, the environment that surrounded Christians in

    Ephesus, their own imperfection and, in some cases, their former way of life

    influenced them. What would help them to change? They needed to "be made new

    in the force actuating [their] mind." (Ephesians 4:23) As they studied God's

    Word, meditated on how it should influence their lives , associated with

    fellow Christians , and earnestly prayed, the fruitage of God's spirit would

    be more fully manifest in their lives. They would learn to "become kind to

    one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as

    God also by Christ freely forgave [them]." (Ephesians 4:32 ) Regardless of

    what others may do, we need to exercise restraint, being kind,

    compassionate, forgiving. Indeed, we must "return evil for evil to no one."

    (Romans 12:17,18) Showing genuine love in imitation of God is always the

    right thing to do. -1 John 4:8.

    Christian—a JW (only JWs are Christians and don’t you forget that)

    Heavens, do Christians—er JWs—say harsh words.

    Exercise restraint

    I don’t think many JWs are exercising restraint. How is that possible with the happiest people in the world?

    Counsel for All Christians

    18 Counsel to keep ourselves "restrained under evil" applies to all

    Christians. ( 2 Timothy 2:24) But it was first directed to Timothy, who

    needed it when he served as an elder in Ephesus. Some in the congregation

    there were quite vocal in making known their views and were teaching wrong

    doctrine. Because they did not fully discern the objective of the Mosaic

    Law, they failed to appreciate the importance of faith, love, and a good

    conscience. Pride created strife as they engaged in debates over words,

    while missing the point of Christ's teachings and the importance of godly

    devotion. To handle this situation, Timothy was to be firm for Scriptural

    truth yet gentle in dealing with his brothers. Like present-day elders, he

    knew that the flock did not belong to him and that he was to deal with

    others in a way that would promote Christian love and unity. -Ephesians

    4:1-3; 1 Timothy 1:3-11; 5:1, 2; 6:3-5.
    Some in the congregation there were quite vocal in making known their views and were teaching wrong doctrine.
    Pride created strife as they engaged in debates over words,

    Sounds like apostates to me.

    How are the elders to act?

    Timothy was to be firm for Scriptural truth yet gentle in dealing with his brothers

    Is that how the elders treated you when you had questions or doubts?

    19 God urges his people to "seek meekness." (Zephaniah 2:3) The Hebrew

    expression for "meekness" denotes a disposition that enables a person to

    endure injury patiently, without irritation and without retaliation. May we

    earnestly petition Jehovah for help so that we can exercise restraint and

    represent him properly, even under difficult circumstances.

    Well, be prepared to apply this advice at the KH, and wait on Jehovah to right the wrongs done to you for your "loving" brothers and sisters.

    Concluding Comments

    Sorry for the briefness of this. Big weekend coming up. Work has been chaotic and my arthritis has been winning lately.

    Have a good time this weekend; have good food, good friends, good drink (beer) and watch the fireworks. And remember the struggle many are having all over the world. Love Blondie

    Questions

    1. When engaged in Christian activity, why do we occasionally encounter

    people who speak harshly?

    2. What scriptures can help us to deal wisely with people who speak harshly

    to us?

    3. How is peaceableness involved in the message we preach?

    4. What might you say when told "I am not interested" before you even have

    an opportunity to state the reason for your visit?

    5, 6. How did Saul deal with Jesus' followers, and why did he act that way?

    7. What happened to Saul as a result of his encounter with Jesus on the road

    to Damascus?

    8. How did Jesus reflect his Father's attitude toward people who had done

    bad things?

    9. What can we learn from the way that Isaiah 42:1-4 was fulfilled in Jesus?

    10, 11. (a) Although Pharisees were among Jesus' most vocal opposers, why

    did he witness to some of them? (b) What sort of replies did Jesus

    occasionally give to opposers, but what did he not do?

    12. Even when he was shouted at, how was Jesus able to help people?

    13. Why do people sometimes oppose a family member who begins to study the

    Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses?

    14-16. What brought about changes in some who formerly opposed their family

    members?

    17. If the situation sometimes gets tense in a Christian home, what

    Scriptural counsel can help?

    18. Why was the counsel found at 2 Timothy 2:24 appropriate for an elder in

    ancient Ephesus, and how can it benefit all Christians?

    19. Why is it important for all of us to "seek meekness"?

    What Did You Learn?

    When you are confronted with insolent speech, what scriptures can help you?

    Why did Saul act in an insolent manner?

    How does Jesus' example help us to deal appropriately with all sorts of

    people?

    What benefits may come from exercising restraint in our speech at home?
  • bennyk
    bennyk

    Great stuff, blondie!!

    How I wish I had still been receiving the WT's ("pearls of wisdom")! If only I could have read paragraph 11 to my inquisitors! (And thereupon kept my mouth shut: I suffer chronic foot-IN-mouth disease!) Perhaps the Lads would not have found me "guilty of apostasy", despite those who came forward to denounce me.

    Well, at least they didn't try me in absentia. At least I found out who my enemies are....

    ben (of the still-feeling-somewhat-sorry-for-myself class)

  • seattleniceguy
    seattleniceguy

    Thanks, Blondie.

    Man, is that stuff nuts! You can practically see the brains being washed. Ugh!

    SNG

  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem

    Just want to say thank you for doing this Blondie.

    p.s. you study the wt a lot harder then most dubs do

  • blondie
    blondie



    bennyk, don't worry too much about the past, what you couldhave, shouldhave done. If you have thoroughly researched your beliefs and you live your life by them and you show consideration in general for those around you and yourself, that is a lot. The elders can't give any sign that you might be right. There are 3 of them and they will turn each other in. Look how many ex-elders post on JWD; so they can change.

    Sometimes we have to say our piece without letting shouting drown out our words.

    On occasion I have "won" a discussion with an elder, but I did not "win" their heart or mind.

    Hi, SNG,

    Man, is that stuff nuts! You can practically see the brains being washed. Ugh! Man, is that stuff nuts! You can practically see the brains being washed. Ugh!

    All I can saw is all is not well in WT Land. Obedience, obedience is the underlying theme of what I have seen in every article, every meeting part, and every convention talk. The rank and file (and the elders I bet) are not listening to mother. Or at least that is the reason the WTS thinks money, people, and time are dropping offi.

    Well, Danny,

    you study the wt a lot harder then most dubs do

    I always did (but I actually looked up the scriptures too). That's probably why I am posting here now. Hang them with their own words.

    Love, Blondie (pardon for the formatting problem, I used notepad, but I'm still having a hidden problem)

  • undercover
    undercover

    I thought the time of forcing ourselves on householders once they expressed disinterest had passed but apparently not. Notice how they are trying to get the JWs to use a new "stick-the-foot-in-the-door" approach:

    4 Without really listening, a householder may abruptly state, "I am not interested." In many cases, it is possible to say , "I was hoping to read just this one brief text from the Bible ." He may not object to that. In other cases, it may be appropriate to say: "I was hoping to tell you about a time when there will be no injustice and all people will learn to love one another ." If that does not promptly elicit a request for an explanation, you might add: "But evidently this is not a convenient time for you."

    If a JW continues on after the householder says, "I'm not interested" its the same as a telemarketer who keeps on after you tell them no. And we all know how much everyone just loves telemarketers.

    If someone says "I'm not interested" that's a polite way of saying, "I don't want to talk to you about whatever it is you came here about. Please go away and leave me alone. Thank you." That should be an indication to the person who came uninvited to leave immediately, but JWs are taught by the WTS to force the issue. Don't take "no" for an answer. And then they wonder why so many householders are rude to them.

  • xjwms
    xjwms

    Blondie:

    I love your line, ..."Hang them with their own words"

    Thanks again for the hard work.

    BTW ( I won't over do it, its just that if I don't work this weekend, I'll be forced to over do it)

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    Blondie! First, let me say, take good care of yourself and your man. You too enjoy this upcoming weekend, eat drink and be merry, it only comes around once a year and we missed many years of it in the cult.we want to remember those who gave their lives that we may be free, and those still in harms way.

    Secondly, the door to door work is dead, so, the articles that they have been using lately for the Watchtower Study for the rank and file will just pass over their heads. No one is going to apply it.

    Thanks again for all your hard work, it is very much appreciated. We read every comment each week.

    Blueblades

  • blondie
    blondie

    undercover, so true.

    Notice how they are trying to get the JWs to use a new "stick-the-foot-in-the-door" approach:

    But not as new as you think. The Reasoning book has a section just this problem. Overcoming objections or the more PC Conversation Stoppers.

    ***

    rs p. 16 How You Might Respond to Potential Conversation Stoppers ***

    I’M

    NOT INTERESTED

    ‘I’M NOT INTERESTED IN RELIGION’

    ‘I’M

    NOT INTERESTED IN JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES’

    I HAVE MY OWN RELIGION’

    WE

    ARE ALREADY CHRISTIANS HERE’

    I’M BUSY’

    WHY

    DO YOU PEOPLE CALL SO OFTEN?’

    ‘I AM ALREADY WELL ACQUAINTED WITH YOUR WORK’

    ‘WE

    HAVE NO MONEY’

    WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, ‘I’M A BUDDHIST’ (HINDU, MUSLIM, JEW)

    Thanks xjwms,

    I don't think I made it up; but I use it to summarize my approach in these reviews.

    Give them enough rope to hang themselves is good too.

    Blondie

  • heathen
    heathen

    Perhaps they shoulda just said stop being arrogant monkeeys and try to hold an intelligent conversation . I wonder if they try that on thursday night ministry school . LOL everybody would want the part of the house holder insulting the J-dub . The dub having to sit there calmly with rebuking skills . HAPPY 4th to you also blondie ..... I love beer and fireworks ,,, that reminds me I need some fireworks .....................

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