apostates going to be yanked from the grave??!! good JAH-LORD!!

by tetrapod.sapien 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • blondie
    blondie


    The May 1, 2005 WT said this:


    After Moses led the nation of Israel out of Egypt, a rebellion broke out in the wilderness. Moses told the people to separate themselves from the ringleaders--Korah, Dathan, and Abiram. They would die violently. Moses explained: "If it is according to the death of all mankind that these people w ill die and with the punishment of all mankind that punishment will be brought upon them, then it is not Jehovah that has sent me. But if it is something created that Jehovah will create, and the ground has to open its mouth and swallow up them and everything that belongs to them and they have to go down alive into Sheol, you will then know for certain that these men have treated Jehovah disrespectfully." (Numbers 16:29, 30) So whether by the earth opening and swallowing them or by fire consuming them as in the case of Korah and the 250 Levites who sided with him, all these rebels ended up in Sheol, or Hades. -Numbers 26:10.

    Blurb on page 15: Like Abraham, those who go to Sheol are in line for a resurrection


    The WTS has always presented Korah, Abiram and Dathan and their supporters as being apostates.

    w91 4/15 p. 31 Beware of Apostates! ***

    The bad examples of Cain, Balaam, and Korah were followed by the ungodly men. They posed a spiritual threat comparable to rocks hidden below water and were like waterless clouds and dead, uprooted trees producing nothing beneficial. Those apostates were also murmurers, complainers, and ‘admirers of personalities for the sake of their own benefit.’

    Sounds like apostates go to Sheol now.

    Blondie

    I have noticed that the WTS is trying to appear less judgmental than they have in the past, at least on the surface. What they say behind the scenes could be and has been very different in the past.

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    thanks blondie, that's it!

    now i await the discussions with my family ad nauseum.

    hades, whatever. i am still waiting for the ground to open up and swallow me. it really makes me wonder what was going through the minds of the ancient people who bought this ground swallowing stuff. amazing.

  • Momofmany
    Momofmany

    I am thinking outloud here.

    How can anyone know what god will do? How can they say who goes to hell, who doesn't, who will be resurrected, who wont? That is one thing that frosts my cookie. I mean, why is there Judgment Day, if they have already decided? What do we even need god for if they have taken his place?

    Sorry for the angry vent, it just really bother's me.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    They have been trying to wrangle with verses like that one for decades. They have discussed at length the Korah story and what is implied (through their theological spin)by their being said to have decended alive into sheol. This nothing new folks, they existed in contradiction for many years. I questioned this very verse 20 years ago when I read and old Awake from the 60's. I believe there was one article that couched the definition of Sheol as the comon grave of ALL mankind, and from which most will be resurrected. Mind you none of this takes into account the developing religious conception of death that occurred in Judaism throught the 6/700 years or so between these writings and the NT.

  • Gordy
    Gordy
    they draw us to the experience of solomon, who the bible writer still said was burried with his forefathers, indicating that he was still kosher fodder for ressurection.

    This is what I was taught as a JW many years ago. That if the scripture said a person, usually a king, or prophet, was laid with their forefathers it mean that the person had a hope of a resurrection. Trouble was that some of the worst kings of Israel where "laid with their forefathers" so could never understand how they could be resurrected.

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    pete,

    okay, i get it now. it's not new, i just was not paying attn at the meetings lol.

    thanks for the clarification.

    i guess there is another magazine recently that gets into solomon and his forefathers, however. so i will find it, and see if i can't post it here.

    cheers,

    TS

  • avishai
    avishai


    Being ressurected dub style is my worst nightmare.

    Here's a story I wrote awhile back about it. WARNING, PG-!3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/54750/1.ashx

  • tdogg
    tdogg
    Being ressurected dub style is my worst nightmare.

    No doubt! Spending eternity surrounded by fools with that stupid blank smile.... Kill me again please! Besides, maybe David or Moses or someone would screw up again and God would punish everyone else, no thanks.

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    so apparently, it's the july 15 WT - questions from readers that gets into the whole solomon thing.

    those WTS guys are dirty. slipping stuff like this in. they try to seem openminded and uncritical, and yet still somehow manage to not change anything of substance. this must make the r & f all estactic with jehovah love.

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