After the U.N, would the Watchtower think of using the Vatican Library?

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  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Todays edition of The Times (13/07/05) carries the following on page 42;

    The Vatican, which is thought to own more than 1,000 flats in Rome, is home to one of the world’s largest libraries, with 75,000 manuscripts and 1.1 million books. The library, established by Pope Nicholas V in 1448, contains the Codex Vaticanus, the oldest known manuscript of the Bible.

    Now that would be a library worth entering, and it needn't be too difficult. Here is the Vatican policy on admission to their Library;

    Admission Criteria

    The Vatican Library is for specialized research in the fields of philology and history, and, retrospectively, in theology, law and science. It is designed for scientific research, with special emphasis on the study of manuscripts.
    The Admissions Office is open from Monday through Friday from 9:00 to 12:00; and on Monday and Thursday from 15:00 to 16:00.
    It is open to qualified researchers and scholars who can provide documentation of their qualifications and their need to access the materials conserved in the Library. By accepting the Reader’s Pass and signing the form in the Secretariat, the Reader undertakes to obey the
    Rules for Readers of the Library.

    http://bav.vatican.va/en/v_home_bav/v_informazioni/ammissione.shtml

    So how about it you Watchtower whores?

  • diamondblue1974
    diamondblue1974

    They probably already have put in a request but the Vatican refused access because it didnt want to be affiliated with an hypocritical religious organisation.

    Get that library card ready!!

  • blondie
    blondie

    Sounds like at least two JWs have visited the Vatican Library.

    g88 7/22 p. 19 I Wanted to See for Myself ***

    Where are the manuscripts from which my Bible was translated?’ I had often asked myself. How can it be determined how old they are? How have they been preserved through the ages? And after so many centuries, can we be sure that they accurately represent the original Bible writings? My own faith in the Bible is now secure, but having been brought up to believe that the Bible is a clever fraud, questions like these have always intrigued me. My curiosity led me to visit some of the most famous libraries in Europe while I was traveling there. My first visit was to Rome, Italy, where hundreds of Bible manuscripts are to be found.

    BEHIND the towering walls and tight security of castlelike Vatican City, a person gets the impression that he is entering a real treasure-house. The Vatican Library is in the courtyard of the pope’s palace, and so special permission to enter is required of visitors.

    Here is preserved the famous Vatican Manuscript No. 1209, or Codex Vaticanus, which usually is referred to by the symbol "B." It contains the Hebrew Scriptures and much of the Christian Greek Scriptures dating back to the early fourth century C.E., less than 300 years after the days of the apostles. It has been in the possession of the Vatican Library at least since 1481, but it was not made available to the academic world until 1889-90.

    My first impression was that the writing was surprisingly clear and unfaded. Apparently the original ink faded, and a later scribe traced over every letter, thereby robbing the codex of much of its original beauty. The Vaticanus, like practically all manuscripts of the Holy Scriptures in Greek, is a codex, a book with leaves, rather than a roll. It is written on vellum (a fine grade of parchment), a writing material prepared from the skins of young animals.

    And evidently this JW reporter visited the Vatican library

    *** g75 1/8 p. 24 An Interesting Tour of the Vatican ***

    Gardens,

    Museums and a Noted Library

    The Vatican also is a place of beautiful gardens, various museums and noteworthy galleries. In the Pio-Clementine Museum, an altar bearing bas-reliefs shows Victory carrying a shield with the inscription: "The Senate and People of Rome have dedicated this altar to the Emperor Augustus, son of the deified Caesar, in his capacity as Pontilex Maximus." This title (literally meaning "Greatest Bridge Maker"), once borne by the head of Rome’s pagan priesthood and eventually by its emperors, was rejected by Emperor Gratian as unbefitting a Christian. Pope Damasus I of the fourth century gladly assumed it, however, and it remains a papal title to this day.

    A treasure trove of manuscripts and books—that is the Vatican library. Besides some 1,000,000 printed books, it is the repository of over 90,000 manuscripts. Among these is the Vatican Manuscript No. 1209, a valuable Greek Biblical codex of the fourth century C.E.

    I do know of a sister who went to Italy on one of those WTS international tours and visiting the Vatican was one of the tourist trips organized by the WTS.

    Blondie

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    At the end of the day they are no different to the catholics, only that the catholics were in the past an oppressive religion and the jws are so in the present, so I don't think they would mind having that library card.

  • badboy
    badboy

    I heard from one jw that he actually visited the Vatican and saw the Vatican Codex,he said something like John 1;1 or was it something else,the Vatican had changed its meaning,something like that.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    There's no problem with using any libraries, per se. That's not the problem with the WTS's getting access to the UN library. The problem is with their compromising their stated principles -- violation of which would get any rank & file JW disfellowshipped -- which is gross hypocrisy. The compromise was in signing an official agreement to uphold and promote UN goals across the board, and following through by publishing articles in the Awake! and Watchtower magazines that appeared to support UN goals.

    AlanF

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo

    If it's free to join and no one will find out for ten years, why not?

  • foreword
    foreword
    It is open to qualified researchers and scholars who can provide documentation of their qualifications

    This might be difficult, especially the scholars part

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Yes of course Alan. This wasn't a serious question, but I think we know that most JW's would have a problem with the Society entering the Vatican and using their facilities. It's all most JW's can do to enter a church for a 'worldly' relatives wedding - many won't even do that!

    Merely using the library resources of a 'false religious' organization wouldn't mean that they would be 'promoting' that organization or lending it 'support' - but can you imagine the reaction of most dubs!!!!

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    There's no other place they could have gotten the Greek texts they use as their Bible BUT from the Vatican library.

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