Would Jesus give an answer to “apostate's” questions?

by zagor 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • zagor
    zagor

    Well if we look in bible we would have to conclude: YES HE WOULD.

    Even if we were to assume characteristics that WTBS is attributing to us we would have to say that Jesus would still give an answer. Look in Matthew Chapter 4 where he apparently even gave answer to an ultimate apostate, he was neither silent nor did he try to avoid confrontation, he (Jesus) according to bible, even used opportunity to his own advantage.

    Likewise, if you read anywhere else in gospels you’ll see that he never shied away from giving straight and intelligent answer. In fact one would get an impression that he used opportunity to strengthen his authority by giving proper way of looking at things. (Matthew 12:24-28, Matthew Chapter 16, Matthew Chapter 22, Mark Chapter 2, Mark 12:28-34, Luke 11:16-54, etc.)

    Many (now proclaimed apostates) were DFd for asking “inappropriate questions” and/or for arriving at their own conclusions. And many dubs are taking that as a word from heavens. No one stops to wonder that asking question is in fact encouraged by the bible itself as the only proper way of arriving at the truth. (Acts 17:11, Proverbs 2:1-10)

    How can someone hold the whole truth and be afraid of someone else asking questions, boggles my mind. I remember comments of some pioneer dubs who found someone to have B study with, that person was asking too many question! Imagine that!

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Do you think it might be more likely that he would likely answer with a question, and make you think for yourself (in an uncomfortable, but "real" kinda way)?

  • zagor
    zagor
    Do you think it might be more likely that he would likely answer with a question, and make you think for yourself (in an uncomfortable, but "real" kinda way)?

    I don't know but if I'm to belive what the bible say he would certainly give an answer that's appropriate for the situation at hand. HE WOULDN'T IGNORE someone asking questions as WTBS does.

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten

    I reach a point where I ignore my kids at school asking questions because they if they think they can get you hooked they will waste as much time as possible in displacement questions.

    I think jesus would discern whether it was a genuine question or not. If he felt it was questioning just to trip him up or to waste time I think he would ignore it. He'd employ his precious time only on genuine people. If he discerned that the question was from a genuine desire to know, an honest questioning mind, a seeker of truth, then I think he would spend time reasoning and questioning.

    I think the society ignore all questions because they cannot discern the genuine from the time wasting, and also they do not have answers for the genuine questions.

    The societies response to questions is a bit like peoples resonses to homeless people begging. Theyve heard some of them arent really homeless so they arent going to give ANY of them money, also they cant solve the homeless guys problem so whats the point of giving him anything.

    And of course the society arent going to respond like jesus - they are wicked frauds , not holy men.

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3
    (Matthew 4:1-11) . . .Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2

    After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry. 3 Also, the Tempter came and said to him: "If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread." 4 But in reply he said: "It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.’" 5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: "If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’" 7 Jesus said to him: "Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’" 8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me." 10 Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’" 11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.

    First you notice that God led Jesus to Satan "by the spirit" "to be tempted".

    And then Jesus not only converses with Satan but reasons with him by quoting scripture.

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    The Watchtower tries to portray Jesus as a person who avoided arguments.

    Why would they do this? There are two reasons. One reason is to keep

    its members from getting caught in debates that could possibly damage their

    trust in Watchtower teachings. Second the Watchtower can use that false image

    of Jesus as a justification for ignoring serious challenges to their authority.

    This is the basic idea presented in the following quote from an article in

    the August 1 1993 article "Let No One Spoil Your Useful Habits"

    "Many people will debate for hours, week after week, but not because they

    are seeking truth. They just want to undermine another's faith while flaunting

    their own supposed education in Hebrew, Greek, or evolutionary science. When

    encountering them, some Witnesses have felt challenged and have wound up

    having extended association centered on false religious belief, philosophy,

    or scientific error. It is noteworthy that Jesus did not let that happen

    to him, though he could have won debates with religious leaders who were

    schooled in Hebrew or Greek. When challenged, Jesus replied briefly and then

    turned his attention again to humble ones, the real sheep. Matthew 22:41-46;

    1 Corinthians 1:23-2:6"

    Do you see the unsubstantiated claim here? The picture of Christ they want

    to give their readers is a person who gives a brief answer to his challengers

    and then ignores them by teaching those whom he judged as sincere. But lets

    read their proof text and see what really happened there.

    Matthew 22:41-46

    Now while the Pharisees were gathered together

    Jesus asked them "What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is

    he?" They said to him: "David's". He said to them: "How, then,

    is it that David by inspiration calls him 'Lord,' saying, 'Jehovah said to

    my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet?"

    If, therefore, David calls him 'Lord,' how is he his son?"

    And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, nor did anyone

    dare from that day on to question him any further.

    We can see that Jesus gave a rebuttal that silenced his questioners. He

    won the argument. After winning the argument the Pharisees were the

    ones that gave up because they had nothing else to say. If they had

    been able to raise another point Jesus would have been obligated to answer

    them. An argument is not finished until one has finished off the

    counterarguments. Typically, when a person loses an argument they

    find a way to politely or impolitely walk away. The person who walks

    away from an argument is usually the loser.

    Rather than ignore questions, a good teacher welcomes the challenge. Jesus

    kept going until his opponents gave up. Isn't that what people ought

    to do when they think they have the TRUTH? The Watchtower has adopted an

    attitude of stonewalling any question that challenges their official teaching.

    Somebody at the Watchtower headquarters surely reads the points raised on the internet. They know that their membership is challenged by the argumentation presented here. Why don't they give their followers the answers that will shut up their critics? They can't.

  • potleg
    potleg

    the WT is a high control organization. They are not really interested in questions coming up through the ranks, questions that call them into account. They are a top down org...they give the orders, everyone obeys. People who question the org smack of disloyalty, they could be trouble makers..

    However I think the R&F aren't as willing to blindly obey as they once were...WHY and NO seem to be a more common response.

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    ezekiel3,
    you said: And then Jesus not only converses with Satan but reasons with him by quoting scripture.
    The WORD knew that the only way to defeat Satan was with the sword, the word of God, a la Job 41:9-11 and of course Rev 19:11-16
    Even today, the word of God will help others...
    My son, pay attention to my wisdom; lend your ear to my understanding, that you may preserve discretion, and that your lips may keep knowledge. For the lips of the immoral woman drip with honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil; but in the end she IS bitter as bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down to death, her steps lay hold of hell. therefore hear me now, my children, and do not depart from the words of my mouth. Remove your way far from her, and do not go near the door of her house, lest you give your honor to others, and your years to the cruel one; lest aliens be filled with your wealth, and your labors go to the house of a foreigner; and you mourn at last, when your flesh and your body are consumed, and THEN say: How I have hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof! I have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined my ear to those who instructed me!
    I was on the verge of total ruin, in the midst of the congregation and assembly. Proverbs 5:1-14



    love michelle

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    the word of God, a la Job 41:9-11 and of course Rev 19:11-16

    perhaps I should type this out, I've got a few minutes.

    Indeed , any hope of overcoming him is vain; shall one not be overwhelmed at the sight of him? No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up. Who then is able to stand against ME? Who has preceded ME, that I should pay him?

    Everything under heaven is MINE.

    Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and HE who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies IN heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

    Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations(). And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron.(.). He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

    michelle

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Jesus would be the one ripping the GB a new one.

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