Justification of misquotations

by gringojj 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • blondie
    blondie

    grinoji, the elder will respond the same way.

    The topic is important but I will tell you that when I was a true believing JW, I would have just shut down and figured that you were reading apostate literature.

    Why not just show your wife. Let her see that the WTS misquoted (lied) the sources. If she will only believe that the WTS had taught lies if you convince someone else, I don't understand how that will convince her. Is she letting the WTS do her thinking for her still?

    She has to see it herself. Even if all the other JWs still believed, if she sees it herself that is what convinces people.

    Not that you have to use this point, but what convinced me on the doctrinal level was seeing that the WTS taught that Christ's presence began in 1874. I had been reading the Studies in the Scriptures. Now this threw me because we had just had a WT article that said that they had always believed that Christ's presence (not the same as the end of the Gentile times) was in 1914. That started me to do even more research and then I found the stuff about 1925 and the ancient worthies being resurrected then. I learned that the WTS was capable of lying to its members.

    So convince your wife. Don't waste too much time on the elder. If your wife wants to serve God, she has to start doing her own study using the Bible. She is still following humans and letting them tell her what to believe.

    Love, Blondie

  • gringojj
    gringojj

    Thanks Blondie,

    I hope he justs shuts down in front of us and doesnt address the situation. I am really anxious to see his reaction. My wife does not view it as apostate. She has seen thier quotes, and the real ones in context. I agree that she has a long way to go before she will have spiritual independence from the wts, but seeing the dishonesty has been a blow to them, and if they refused to address it it may be a knock out. She is very confused right now and is at the stage of saying they jehovah uses imperfect humans so she doesnt expect perfection from them. She still has alot riding on her decision of believing or not. Thanks everyone

  • gringojj
    gringojj

    Blondie which WT artice said they always beleived in 1914? That would be good because my wife has seen the old zions wt that talk about 1874.

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    I think most witnesses simply shut down their reasoning side, and don't allow the hint of disbelief to even enter their mind. It is easier that way.

  • Ticker
    Ticker

    Most will shut down but some who still have some ability of autonomy may consider proving to themselves that the watchtower couldn't misquote and may actually look into it. If the subject in question is of interest to the person and it touches an emotion, you may have great sucess. I never give up trying to break that Org barrier people set up for themselves, but It is hard to break down. Even had one that seen all the misquotes, all the hyprocrisy, and still chooses to go back to the JW religion in full force. So hard to say, but even if they do go back, they cant erase from their memory what they saw. Even if in 10 years it may spring back into their mind and with further changing doctrines of the org it maybe what helps them to leave in the future.

    Ticker

  • carla
    carla

    gringojj,

    Could you please tell us what was misquoted? page numbers and what book you got from library? This could be helpful in showing to loved ones. I guess it's time for some different type of research, back to misquotes and to the library! thanks, if you don't have time that's ok, carla

  • gringojj
    gringojj

    I had two sites that listed them all beautifully but i just checked and they were both down! Must be a sign lol. I will post them asap. I think the major misquote was from Darwins origin of species. They made it look like Darwin thought evolutiuon was absurd. There were about 15 of them in the creation book. Disgusting.

  • blondie
    blondie

    w93 1/15 5 'Caught Away to Meet the Lord'-How? ***
    The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914.

    w84 12/1 14 Happy Are Those Found Watching! ***
    Russell and his associates quickly understood that Christ’s presence would be invisible. They disassociated themselves from other groups and, in 1879, began publishing spiritual food in Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence. From its first year of publication, this magazine pointed forward, by sound Scriptural reckoning, to the date 1914 as an epoch-making date in Bible chronology. So when Christ’s invisible presence began in 1914, happy were these Christians to have been found watching! For over a century, this magazine, now called The WatchtowerAnnouncing Jehovah’s Kingdom, has helped an ever-increasing number of true Christians to "keep looking" and "keep awake." (Mark 13:33)

    Proclaimers book 47 5 Proclaiming the Lord's Return (1870-1914) ***


    To counteract wrong views regarding the Lord’s return, Russell wrote the pamphlet The Object and Manner of Our Lord’s Return. It was published in 1877. That same year Barbour and Russell jointly published Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World. This 196-page book discussed the subjects of restitution and Biblical time prophecies. Though each subject had been treated by others before, in Russell’s view this book was "the first to combine the idea of restitution with time-prophecy." It presented the view that Jesus Christ’s invisible presence dated from the autumn of 1874 .

    God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years… 186-8 11 "Here Is the Bridegroom!"


    In the following year (1877) Russell joined with one Nelson H. Barbour, of Rochester, New York, in publishing a book entitled "Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World." In this book it was set forth that the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 C.E. would be preceded by a period of forty years marked by the opening of a harvest of three and a half years, beginning in 1874 C.E. This harvest was understood to be under the invisible direction of the Lord Jesus Christ, whose presence or parousia began in the year 1874. Shortly afterward was understood to be the beginning of the great antitypical Jubilee for mankind, that had been foreshadowed by the ancient "jubilee" observances of the Jews under the law of Moses. (Leviticus, chapter twenty-five) According to the Bible chronology that was thereafter adopted, the six thousand years of man’s existence on the earth ended in the year 1872 but the Lord Jesus did not come at the end of those six millenniums of human existence, rather, at the start of the antitypical Jubilee in October of 1874. The year 1874 was calculated as being the end of six millenniums of sin among mankind. From this latter date mankind was understood to be in the seventh millennium.—Revelation 20:4.

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    From that understanding of matters, the "chaste virgin" class began going forth to meet the heavenly Bridegroom in the year 1874, as they believed him to have arrived in that year and to be from then on invisibly present. They felt that they were already living in the invisible presence of the Bridegroom. Due to this fact, when Charles T. Russell began publishing his own religious magazine in July of 1879, he published it under the title "Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence." He had already become familiar with Wilson’s The Emphatic Diaglott, which translated the Greek word pa·rou·si'a as "presence," not "coming," in Matthew 24:3 and elsewhere. The new magazine was heralding Christ’s invisible presence as having begun in 1874. This presence was to continue until the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 , when the Gentile nations would be destroyed and the remnant of the "chaste virgin" class would be glorified with their bridegroom in heaven by death and resurrection to life in the spirit. Thus the class pictured by the five wise virgins would enter through the door into the wedding.

    (BTW it wasn’t until 1943 that the WTS did away completely with the 1874 date for Christ’s presence)

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w74 8/15 p. 507 No Spiritual "Energy Crisis" for Discreet Ones ***

    In 1943 the Watch Tower Society’s book "The Truth Shall Make You Free" did away with the nonexistent extra 100 years in the period of the Judges and placed the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence in the 1970’s. It also fixed the beginning of Christ’s presence, not in 1874, but in 1914 C.E.

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