by Blueblades 25 Replies latest jw friends
Many people think that the answer to that question is yes. ( from the new book released at the DC.) Forget about what the Watchtower teaches, what do you think about the question yourself, if you believe in God? Is he uncaring and hardhearted or is there a justifiable reason for all the untold suffering in the world including the animal kingdom.
Blueblades
Forget about what the Watchtower teaches
The Watchtower? A bunch of Coffin Dodgers who are trying to usurp/pre-empt God?
Well - I think the aforementioned revel in the present suffering in the World, but I (in ALL my imperfection, yet made in 'God's Image') could not stand by and see someone suffer and die. And why? To prove a point to someone I could wipe out anyway? I think not.
According to the gospel mankind was given a way out of their troubles but they refused to follow through the opened door, that refusal was according to the whore like mentality of Babylon the great, a figure of the instinct driven contraspiritual part of mankind. Hopefully this state of affairs will not be tolerated for long.
According to the gospel mankind was given a way out of their troubles but they refused to follow through the opened door, that refusal was according to the whore like mentality of Babylon the great, a figure of the instinct driven contraspiritual part of mankind. Hopefully this state of affairs will not be tolerated for long
Sure, blame the victim for the crime!
Humans have very brief lives no matter how you slice it.
According to your (above) scenario the burden of escaping from death is to be born physically and mentally intact in a time and place where you will not be prejudiced against the "salvation plan" when you hear it.
That means if you were born Chinese you are sunk. (Half of Planet Earth's population has never even made a telephone call so backward is their technology.)
Any plan cooked up by a Supreme Being that purports to RESCUE people should actually have some chance of accomplishing that task. But for over TWO THOUSAND years we've been confronted (in the Western World) by all kinds of nonsense parading as a messege from God. Hundreds (if not thousands) of sects and cults and even mainstream variants on salvation have sprung up and vanished.
If God cared for mankind and had a plan and yet allowed people to encounter only the confused, garbled, gobbletygook of religion as it has always stood---then God hasn't a clue how to do the simplest of tasks! On the other hand, McDonald's Hamburgers and Coca Cola have gotten their messege out rather adroitly with simple advertising. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Wouldn't two thousand years of effort show some kind of progress? Where is the evidence for that?
JW's actually want us to believe Jesus waited until 1914 years to make a move in the direction of setting up a Kingdom he had earned with his own death all those years before!!!
Huh?
It is all UTTER NONSENSE.
T.
Sure, blame the victim for the crime!
here here
(as in i agree with your comment...not go ahead and do it)
I don't think God has got anything to do with suffering here on earth. It's man who creates the problem. We are victims of our own actons (as mankind) Why blame God for being unkind and cold if you get beaten up - He didn't do it, He didn't allow it, it happend because of some sicko human.
It's very easy to use God as a scapegoat, 'cos he won't come down and defend himself. Man is always looking to blame someone else, pass the buck, instead of taking responsiblities for his own actions.
We live in a very 'spoiled' society, where a woman can sue a coffee place for spilling hot coffee on herself because she wasn't told it was hot, or it didn't come with a warning on it....I mean come on people .... everyone needs to take R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y and put the blame where it should be, at our own feet, not Gods'
hey loubelle,
I mean come on people .... everyone needs to take R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y and put the blame where it should be, at our own feet, not Gods'
it can be easily be argued that atheists take more responsibility personally and socially for the ills in the world, than theists do. at least we can actually admit that we are just a bunch of apes guessing at life as we go along, with no help from anyone, and not that it's all satans fault. at least we don't fool ourselves into thinking that someday, in this life or another, it's going to all be better. we think the answer to the worlds problems will come from humans, and humans alone. who is taking more responsibility now?
how is even assuming that there is a god, taking any responsibility in the first place? especially considering the amount of evidence for his existence: nada. if anything, believing in a god makes one less responsible for the problems in the world. he would have created it after all.
and speaking of satan, how can one believe in god, and not believe in satan? is it not the same difference as far as evidence goes? there is just as much evidence for either. why stop the logic arbitrarily at satan? if a neo-christian can discard the idea of satan for PC reasons, then why not god?
greendawn,
Hopefully this state of affairs will not be tolerated for long."hopefully" being the key word there. xians have been hoping for millenia now. when will the hoping end, and the living start?
Let alone atheists, better to say rational people. Just cause you don't believe in God doesn't mean you aren't susceptible to irresponsibility.
I agree with Terry, that was perfect Terry, you got that right.
Wonder if there is no God looking on actively participating in humankinds life? Deists believe there is a powerful creator, but that creator is a absent one. He created and moved on, and we can expect nothing from him in this life. It would explain much about what we experience wouldn't it? I see no evidence of a god that is involved in the lives of humans. As far as after we die, who knows? There is certainly no evidence for an afterlife that can be scientifically proved. So live for today and try to find some joy in life day to day. We're hear for the ride and this is probably all there is. Personally I don't feel it is depressing and it allows me to be free of restrictive religious thought.
Balsam
Assuming that there is a god, then I would have to say yes, he is definitely uncaring.
We are children of god and he loves us soooo much. Something is very wrong with this picture in many aspects.
*A father who loves his children will give them proper direction. One could argue that all the direction we need is in the bible. I don't buy that anymore. If all the direction we needed was in the bible, then there would be ONE religion and not countless religions, all convinced that they are doing the right thing.
*A father who loves his children will indeed let them learn the hard way, as learning the hard way is usually a lesson they remember. But when his children would get hurt beyond repair, or should his children die in the process of learning, the loving father would by no means allow it. What kind of loving father would let 6 million of his children die in a holocaust?
*A father who loves his children would listen to them. If god is my father, I can assure you that I have never had the feeling that my prayers were listened to. How about you?
*A loving father would give his children the proper means to survive. But I see many of his children play with their food because they just have too much to consume, while countless other children die a horrible death of starvation.
*A father who loves his children will provide a safe home for his children. He would make sure that it has a decent roof and a good foundation. If the earth is our home, then why do so many of his children die in earthquakes and other natural disasters?
I am still fighting myself on this one, but I am forced to conclude that either god is a product of my imagination, or he just doesn't care.
