Job celebrated Birthdays!!! (page 2)

Pole

Schizm,
Where have you been, dude? I've been missing your "provoking" comments. ;-)
Pole

googlemagoogle

One was their "Name Day".

here people also have "name days". every day on the calendar has a name assigned to it. usually some saint. if you have the same name, you celebrate that day.

upside/down

Excellent line of reasoning schizm!

Now that's a phrase you don't see too often here...

u/d(of the smells "apostate" apostates class)

p.s.- Is the "little one" becoming a thousand on JWD?

From the text that we have at Job it seems inconclusive as to whether they were celebrating their birthdays or not. Narkissos posts in the link I attached gave me quite a bit to think about. I must admit I don't like the stance the dubs take on birthdays but I couldn't comfortably argue the Job line of reasoning as proof that the dubs are wrong. It just doesn't prove it either way.

I now use the history, purpose, and biblical mentions of eye makeup as my argument about pagan origins.

Schizm

From the text that we have at Job it seems inconclusive as to whether they were celebrating their birthdays or not. -- TheListener.

Job, chapter 3 says:

1 It was after this that Job opened his mouth and began to call down evil upon his day. 2 Job now answered and said:
3 “Let the day perish on which I came to be born

In the above text Job's day of birth is referred to as "his day". Is that not correct? If that's true, then why should the text at Job 1:4 be referring to something other than the son's day of birth?

And his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day -- Job 1:4.

Since today it seems that the world in general attach great significance to the day they were born, it makes me wonder if the people in general back there in Job's day didn't do the very same thing. Could it possibly be that Job's sons began to be influenced by what they saw being practiced by peoples who were more concerned with having "fun" rather than realistically seeking God's solution to inherited death? Would that explain Job's concern over the banquets that his sons were having? Perhaps Job was concerned that his sons stood the chance of becoming like the surrounding pagans, people who didn't concern themselves with Godly matters?

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Schizm

Now it came to be the day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in the house of their brother the firstborn.--Job 1:13.

Question: Did the sequence (circuit) of 7 banquets BEGIN at the house of the "firstborn" son? Were that to have been the case, would not that in and of itself suggest that these occasions were indeed birthday celebrations? It seems logical that the order which the sons would choose to follow would be dictated by the order of their births--thus the firstborn would be the first in line to host the banquet, then the next born, and so on. And I don't remember reading that the banquets all took place within a week's time (7 days). Let's suppose that the firstborn was born in March; the next was born in May of the following year; the next was born in October of the year after that, and so on. This would mean that the first banquet would be held at the house of the firstborn on his birthday in the month of March. Then it would be May before the next banquet was held, in the house of the second born. Then it would be October before the next banquet was to be held, in the house of the third born. That way there would be 7 banquets completed in a year, rather than being squeezed into one short week--which makes more sense to me! Personally, I can't imagine myself attending a banquet for 7 days straight.

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Schizm

In another thread, someone posted the following from out of the "wt 68..p318-319". I'm not sure that what's said is necessarily the last word on the subject.

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Does Job 1:4 indicate that Job?s children celebrated their birthdays??F. D., England.
No, that verse does not apply to birthdays. A little examination of the matter will show this. The verse reads: "And [Job?s] sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and drink with them."
In the English Bible the word "birthday" appears in Genesis 40:20, where we read of the birthday celebration of the pagan Pharaoh of Egypt. Consulting Strong?s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, one will see that "birthday" is a compound of the two Hebrew words yowm (meaning, a day [as the warm hours], whether literally or figuratively) and hullédeth from yalad (meaning, to bear young). However, in the Hebrew Scriptures the word "day" (yowm) is often used alone, referring simply to some day. This distinction between "day" and "birthday" may be noted in Genesis 40:20, where both expressions appear: "Now on the third day [yowm] it turned out to be Pharaoh?s birthday [literally, ?the day (yowm) of the birth (hullédeth) of Pharaoh?]."
At Job 1:4 hullédeth does not appear; only yowm is used in the Hebrew text. So it speaks of Job?s sons? doing something "each one on his own day," not ?each one on his own birthday.?
The Bible does not go into detail as to what occasioned the banquets. It may have been that at a particular season, such as harvesttime, the seven sons held a family gathering, and as the feasting made the week-long circuit, each son hosted the banquet in his house "on his own day." Or the feasts could have been of the nature of family reunions held at different times in the year. This picture of a warm and happy family gathering, in contrast to the wild celebrations marked by dissipation and overindulgence in food and drink on the part of ones who have no respect for God, is further indicated by the fact that the sons considerately invited their sisters
wt 68..p318-319

A "week-long circuit" of banquets? Talking about EXCESS !!!

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Schizm

I think this is important enough to call attention to it again:

Job, chapter 3 says:
1 It was after this that Job opened his mouth and began to call down evil upon his day. 2 Job now answered and said:
3 “Let the day perish on which I came to be born
Note that in the above text Job's day of birth is referred to as "his day".

Is it not plain that the expression "his day" has reference to Job's birthday, "his day" of birth? That surely being the case, I'm greatly disappointed over the fact that the writer of the Watchtower article quoted above failed to take this 3rd chapter of Job into consideration when addressing the question: "Does Job 1:4 indicate that Job's children celebrated their birthdays?"

While keeping in mind that the expression "his day" in Job 3:1 actually meant Job's birthday, lets read Job 1:4 again.

And his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day.

Obviously, the writer of that Watchtower article needs to do some more homework!

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confusedjw

I'm greatly disappointed over the fact that the writer of the Watchtower article quoted above failed to take this 3rd chapter of Job into consideration when addressing the question: "Does Job 1:4 indicate that Job's children celebrated their birthdays?"
While keeping in mind that the expression "his day" in Job 3:1 actually meant Job's birthday, lets read Job 1:4 again.
And his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day.
Obviously, the writer of that Watchtower article needs to do some more homework!

Surely you see other matters that WT writers "bend" the facts or omit them? (607-587)

coffee_black

Also... if celebrating birthdays is such a terrible sin, why is it not addressed in the Mosaic law? Birthdays were celebrated in other cultures that we know about in that time period. The Mosaic law covered every detail of life at that time. If it was an issue, then it would have been mentioned.... which brings up another principal..."Where there is now law, there is no sin."

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