Why Is Love Among Jehovah's Witnesses Now Only Third Rate?

by metatron 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • seattleniceguy
    seattleniceguy

    logansrun,

    A "loving act" by a JW is pretty much just like a "loving act" from a non-JW....The Witness expression of love is simply very confined.

    I guess that's the point that I'm making. The Witness understanding of love is confined by the legalistic culture they are in. Whereas normal healthy people would spontaneously visit and care for family members, Witnesses cannot do so if the person is DF'd/DA'd. Whereas normal healthy people want their friends and family to grow, Witnesses are fearful to support growth exercises that might result in movement away from the party line. Whereas normal healthy people are interested and involved in their community, Witnesses mostly restrict such involvement to recruitment efforts.

    As you say, when a Witness does perform a "loving act," the act itself is probably mostly indistinguishable from the same act performed by a member of the general public. But Witnesses impose very harsh limits on the scope of the ways in which it is acceptable to care for and associate with their friends and family. I believe this stems from the fact that the culture values the organization more than the individuals in it, so the first priority for a Witness is to prevent damage to the organization, rather than to care for the individual. If those two goals happen to overlap, then "love" is extended. But to me, that is not genuine care for individuals. It is natural human concern, filtered through a very small lens, such that what comes out the other side is limited and only sometimes approximates what normal healthy people consider loving.

    SNG

  • metatron
    metatron

    I think some of you guys need to read the newest book for a wider background of context. I've been watching them soft

    pedal stuff like blood and Christmas ............. and then Wham! Now it's back, with renewed emphasis - even down to the picture of a

    blood bag hanging next to the bed and explicit denunciations of all holidays. Something has changed at the top, clearly!

    I can easily see the 'love' issue in this context - they don't want to put love front and center - and primary - because

    that won't work! They need to 'downplay' it.

    I'll have more to say about the new book later - I suggest you look it over and observe the sudden change in emphasis

    on cultish aspects of the"truth" - that some of you thought they might be getting away from - Not gonna happen!

    I suspect they are taking a page from the Catholic church a la Pope Benedict - however stupid your doctrines and

    traditions might be, you aren't gonna survive as a cash flow gathering, convert duping cult if you allow

    them to be forgotten. That's how you run a religion as a business and they know it!

    metatron

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    metatron,

    I just looked at the new book, "What Does the Bible Really Teach?" and, if you will excuse me, have to ask: What the hell are you talking about? It looks like the same-old Witness stuff that they have been teaching for decades. You act like the JWs have been some sort of liberal Protestant group for the last few years. Not so! (And, if they have been emphasizing "love" of late, why haven't you commended them on this?) I don't see the new publication as being anything radically different at all from what the JWs have been emphasizing in the recent past.

    Your reasoning seems very odd. I see no "sudden change in emphasis" in this new book. I hate to say it, but it seems that you engage in a heavy amount of reading into things.

    Good grief.

    B.

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake

    Logansrun

    I have limited experience of JWs. My best friend and his wife were so clearly 'love-bombed for two years until they were baptised.

    JWs would come round & cut their grass, help with jobs around the house, regular lifts to the KH even a lone of money. This all stopped when they were baptised (when perhaps the helpers could no longer count time). It was then 'suggested' not only that they make their own way to KH (by taxi) but they should buy a car (they could not afford to run) so they could offer newbies (love bomb victims) lifts to the KH.

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    jeff,

    I'm not saying that some people don't experience a flush of attention and "love" when they are interested in the JWs or are newly baptized members. I'm only pointing out that, on a certain level this is natural human social behavior (just exacerbated) and that there are some people who never experience this type of situation as well as plenty of lifetime members who experience "love" long after they are newly inducted into the religion.

    B.

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake

    logansrun (B)

    I see your point, up to a point, and I have less experience of JWs than nearly everyone who posts here.

    plenty of lifetime members who experience "love" long after they are newly inducted into the religion.

    Despite kind acts etc - how can it be "love" when they are well aware that the experience of this "love" would come to an abrupt end if for example they were disfellowshipped. My point is - that is not "love" (or perhaps it is what the thread title would describe as Third Rate Love)?

  • metatron
    metatron

    Logan, you may not be 'hip' to how this organization works.

    It's probably the case that you haven't closely read their publications in recent years and can't see the dramatic contrast

    from books like the "Knowledge" book - which plainly downplayed both blood and holidays. I was shocked, some years

    ago, when they published the "Worship the Only True God". The book was simply a re-edited version of the "United in Worship"

    book - together with the same chapters, re-named. They , in effect, removed the entire chapter on blood, leaving the

    book - as a requirement for baptism - without any reference to the blood issue. When I saw this, I showed it to various

    Witnesses who were speechless about it. You just put the two books side by side and can see the difference immediately.

    You must understand how they try to do things at Bethel. They try to 'fade' things quietly away so that publishers won't notice

    any change and they've demonstrated a clear sudden reversal of this trend. Older witnesses should know what I'm talking about

    I'm not imagining this - something has happened, behind the scenes. They have taken a decision to become more aggressive

    in matters of doctrine that have been 'let go' in the face of increasing disproof on the internet.

    Furthermore, they have clearly sought to emphasize various failing doctrines in appendices in the book. Make no mistake

    about it, they know that these matters are being discussed and dismissed on the internet. It is highly significant

    also that they have no updated response to the attacks made on their doctrines! They simply re-edit the same

    nonsense without providing any answers to the insistent questions being hurled at them about 1914, blood or other matters.

    You are looking at a Byzantine world, rather like the Kremlin during the Soviet years. Things happen for a reason.

    metatron

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake
    I thought I'd be clever in my JC and tell them that love was what Jesus said would be the identifying mark. The elder told me pretty straight that "love wasn't everything,

    Loubelle, but you were right and the elder was wrong - love IS everything!

    Matthew 7:12

    “Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them…for this is the law and the prophets” see also (Matt

    then there is my personal favourite...

    1 Corinthians 13:1 (English Standard Version)

    If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

    and to confirm priorities:

    Verse 13

    So now faith, hope and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    Jaffa - that scripture in Corithians is my favorite - without love you are nothing.....

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    metatron.. i dont have access to the new book.

    could you tell me what they list as first and second if love comes in third now?

    i read thru the posts but didnt see where anyone said, so forgive me if i missed it.

    i agree things are changing, i'm currently being shunned by my pioneer daughter because in her words " since i'm not attending meetings, i'm a threat to her spiritual progress in the organization".. nothing said about jehovah.. just the org.

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