Elder gives service for non-JW

by jt stumbler 13 Replies latest jw experiences

  • jt stumbler
    jt stumbler


    My cousin, a non-JW died last Saturday of kidney cancer. He was 45.

    Although not a JW, his wife also a non JW asked an elder to do his service. This at the request of his JW mother, who by the way is very inactive. The elder did this after of course he got the ok from the "brothers".I guess they figured it would be "a good witness". The only affiliation my cousin had with the witnesses was in his youth. He was not presently studying or attending meetings. Heres the beef. I sat there and listened to the same ol stuff about how theres going to be a new system, no death, no pain, blah blah blah. I had to just shake my head. At one point I wanted to stand up and say: Yeah a new system for Jehovahs Witnesses only. All the rest of us are s.o.l. There was even a song sang by another out of town cousin of mine who is a witness. Singing about how Jehovah was on our side. Again saying to myself: Yeah on our side if were in good standing with the "brothers". What a joke. Since he died so young, he did'nt really have any specific instructions. I felt for his wife having to make those arrangements. I quess one thing I did learn is to let your loved ones know your wishes. Sorry just venting. Thanks for reading.

  • delilah
    delilah

    Jt Stumbler, I am sorry for your loss ....where I come from, they won't hold a memorial service for anyone, unless you are a baptized, (in good standing) publisher, or a child of one who is, or a spouse of one, or a bible study. It's kind of hypocritical, don't you think, how they preach of the new system, and living forever, but only if the person is in good standing.. who are they to judge what the person's heart is, or to say they have the only true religion. it's a joke....but a sad one. I would not want my loved ones to be memorialized at a KH.....no way.

    Delilah

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  • NeonMadman
    NeonMadman

    My father was never a JW and was very ticked off when I became one at the age of 17. He didn't like JW's very much and the only two times he ever entered a Kingdom Hall that I know of were for my first public talk and my wedding. He wouldn't have missed the latter no matter where it was, and he came to the former only because it coincidentally fell on my 21st birthday. He generally considered himself Protestant, though he never went to church. The family background was largely Episcopalian on his side, and Methodist on my mother's. However, my mother had died at the time I was born, and my father remarried, to a Catholic woman with 4 children, shortly before I was baptized. Because I was planning to become a JW, I was not allowed to live with my father and stepmother and her children, but continued to live in my grandparents' home (where my father had also lived prior to his remarriage). All this happened in 1969.

    I was in the middle of my divorce from my JW (now ex-) wife when my father died in December of 2000. He and I had not been close over the years, mainly because of my JW association, although we did mend many of the bridges during the last year or so of his life. My stepsister and stepbrothers were actually closer to him in many ways than I was. In fact, my stepsister considered him her "real" father (though not biological), because she had been only 3 when her mom started dating him and 7 years old when they married. As a result, it was the stepchildren who made all the funeral arrangements. They arranged for a Protestant minister (I don't recall what denomination) to conduct the funeral - as I am sure he would have wanted. My JW then-wife, from whom I was already separated, and who knew I didn't want to be a JW, marched into the funeral home like she owned the place and started leaving Watchtower tracts on "hope for the dead" in strategic places. She then proceeded to berate me rather loudly for allowing a clergyman of Christendom to conduct the service rather than asking an elder from the Kingdom Hall. After all, she argued, I was his only natural offspring and should have taken charge of the situation - and had the legal right to do so. I replied that the last thing my father would have wanted was a JW funeral service, since he didn't even like JW's very much. She continued to press the issue and finally stomped out of the funeral home in a huff.

    I found the arrogance of her position astounding, even for her. Clearly, to JW's, a funeral is not about remembering the person who has died and comforting the survivors. Rather, it's about "giving a witness," another opportunity to do an infomercial for the Watchtower. She certainly wasn't worried about making me feel better after my loss. In fact, as time went on, her real motive in showing up became clear: to get any information she could about any inheritance I might receive so that she could access it in the divorce proceedings. Though he left me a decent little nest egg, she succeeded - between her and the lawyers, I had virtually nothing left of it after the divorce.

  • minimus
    minimus

    I know of a person who lost BOTH inactive mother and (unbelieving) father in the same week! The elders refused to have any part in the services.

  • willyloman
    willyloman


    Our congo was invited to something similar. It was a "memorial" for an inactive sister who lived on an Indian reservation. The funeral was at a community center at the reservation and was attended by 25-30 members of her family and tribe, along with the elder who was asked to preside and about 20 dubs who were asked by the elder's wife to come along to lend support. Most of the dubs did not know the woman; it had been 15 years since she'd been active. But it was an opportunity "to give a fine witness."

    The dubs took up the two front rows of folding chairs, which otherwise would have been empty. The Indians stood in the back with their arms folded, bewildered or annoyed but respectful. Afterwards, some of the women from the tribe moved into the kitchen and started preparing a big feast while everyone else got in cars and drove a mile down the road to the cemetary.

    There, the elder said a prayer over the coffin after the woman had been lowered into the ground. The moment "amen" left his lips, an elderly woman stepped forward and said, "I do not understand the white man's ways. This is how we bury our dead." At that, she broke into song and dance and was quickly joined by the other tribal members in a ceremonial rite.

    The dubs were stricken at this open display of "paganism" and bolted for their cars. They all drove right past the community center en route to their homes, about 20 miles away. Not one stayed for supper.

    Undoubtedly, this "witness" left a mark.

  • Hellrider
    Hellrider


    The same thing happened to me. My granfather on my fathers side, lived to be a very old man, 93 years old, I believe. When he died, my aunt, his daughter, who lives in Australia, arranged the service on phone from down under, with the congregation here in Norway!!! She had been here on visit a few months earlier, and had of course dragged this old man, who didn`t have a religious bone in his body all his life, with her to a meeting at KH. He went with her a couple of times, but from what I understand, that was it. He was never baptised, didn`t even know the details of this religion. So, the service was to be held at the Hospitals Chapel, where he died. I thought it was strange that he wasn`t gonna have a church burial, but thought nothing more of it. Imagine my surprise when I came there, and the chapel was filled with JWs! And that obnoxious district overseer I remember from when I was a kid, was holding the speech! I sat (literally) on the edge of my seat, listening to his speech! And I was at least expecting that it be a "neutral" speech, without lots of specific JW-stuff, but oh no: That guy read the whole damn thing, about Jehovah and hope of ressurection on paradise earth, etc. I was so angry, I just got up in the middle of the service and walked out!

    My aunt, that damn bitch, lives in Melbourne. If there are any aussies here from Melbourne, just PM me, and I`ll give you her name. She cheated me an my siblings on our inheritage too. That`s JW-love for ya!

  • Forscher
    Forscher

    My mother was not a JW and actually hated them most of her life. When she died, my brother, not a JW, requested a Witness funeral for her (he said that she'd expressed a desire for it before she died). That one kind of floored the two of us siblings who were JW's at the time. The elders agree and one of them conducted it at the funeral home. The Circuit Overseer showed up for the funeral since he was in town. If I'd been in the congregation where I spent most of my time as a Dub, that've NEVER happened! It is one of the few nice things I experienced in 30 years as a Dub.

    Forscher

  • inquirer
    inquirer

    Cool. This is an experiences thread. :)

    Interesting little stories. Thanks so much! :) I particularly NeonMadman's story.

  • out of the box
    out of the box

    Neonmadman is that your picture? It reminds me of someone I knew in Mass.

    out of the box

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