Resurrected state?

by MidwichCuckoo 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo

    Thanks for the feedback, you well read lot!Prophecor...

    Life without the benefits of sex was a fate worse than death in my view. Though, as I've gotten older and more settled in years and sexual relations are not the primary central focus in my life

    You wait till God spins your body-clock back a few decades! I suppose what I mean is - we were created male and female to procreate etc on THIS Earth - if that isn't going to happen in the New System (TM), then the resurrected should/would be sexless, and the survivors (from what they expect) to have their chance. I don't know what the current WTBTS thinking is on the subject, but I believe the WTBTS has before stated that babies would be born then (I certainly was told so). Ingenuous -

    Didn't the Org recently do some backpedaling on the "married resurrected" issue?

    There always seems to be a fine line between what the WTBTS teaches and what is 'believed' amongst the R&F (they tend to make up whatTHEY think a 'Loving God' would do).

    Terry - super read as always

    google - you naughty boy. Or do you mean AFFABLE?

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    rebel8 - Gosh, you were quick off the mark finding that so quickly - yes, I just looked at it on the CDROM. Just in 'questions from readers' The amount of times I have heard couples say they will wait till the New System to have children....what a waste then.

    LOL, 1 side benefit of having your own web site is you can easily find things.

    I put a reference to that article on my site because I find it quite disturbing and so would most people, IMO. Unfortunately, I've lost the article itself. What does it say?

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo

    Questions From Readers

    · Is it wise for a Christian whose mate has died to remain single in the hope of being reunited in the future?

    How fine it is that a Christian should feel love for his or her mate even after that one has died! Some in this situation have remained single, not because of being content with singleness, but in hopes of resuming the marriage after the resurrection. While not being insensitive to the human feelings behind those hopes, we encourage such ones to consider some Biblical points.

    For instance, bearing on the matter are the apostle Paul’s words: "A wife is bound during all the time her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep in death, she is free to be married to whom she wants, only in the Lord. But she is happier if she remains as she is." (1 Corinthians 7:39, 40) This shows that the marital bond ends when one’s mate dies. It was a kindness for God to inform Christians of this, for thus widows and widowers can weigh their emotional and other needs in deciding whether to remarry; they are not bound to the deceased.—1 Corinthians 7:8, 9.

    Does the Bible, though, indicate whether resurrected ones will be able to marry or to resume a previous marriage that was ended by a death? One account seems to bear on this question. It involved Sadducees who, while not even believing in the resurrection, came to Jesus trying to entrap him. They presented this problem involving brother-in-law marriage: "There were seven brothers; and the first took a wife and died childless. So the second, and the third took her. Likewise even the seven: they did not leave children behind, but died off. Lastly, the woman also died. Consequently, in the resurrection, of which one of them does she become the wife?"—Luke 20:27-33; Matthew 22:23-28.

    Christians are not under the Law, but a similar difficulty could be raised concerning them. For example: Brother and Sister C—— were married and had two children. Then he died. Sister C—— loved and deeply missed him, but she felt a need for companionship, financial support, sexual expression, and help with the children. So she married Brother M——, which union was as Scriptural as the first. Later he became ill and died. If the former mates were resurrected and marriage were possible, whom might she marry?

    Consider Jesus’ response to the Sadducees: "The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection. But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed . . . when he calls Jehovah ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him."—Luke 20:34-38; Matthew 22:29-32.

    Some have felt that Jesus was here referring to the heavenly resurrection, yet there are reasons to believe that his reply was about the earthly resurrection in the coming "system of things." What reasons underlie this view? Those questioning Jesus did not believe in him or know about a heavenly resurrection. They asked about a Jewish family under the Law. In reply Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, men who hoped for life again on earth. (Genesis 42:38; Job 14:13-15; compare Hebrews 11:19.) Those patriarchs, and millions of others, who are raised on earth and who prove faithful will be "like the angels." Though mortal, they will not die once God has declared them righteous for endless life.

    Human emotions today might make this a difficult conclusion to accept. But it is to be noted that nowhere does the Bible say that God’s resurrecting the faithful means restoring their marital status. Hence, no one believes that if Aquila and Priscilla have gained life in heaven, they have resumed their marriage. (Acts 18:2) And Joseph and Mary will evidently live in different realms—he on earth and she in heaven. (John 19:26; Acts 1:13, 14) Since none of us have lived in heaven, we cannot say what feelings Aquila, Priscilla, and Mary might have there, yet we can be sure of their finding full contentment in their heavenly service.

    Similarly, we have never lived as perfect humans. Thus we cannot be sure how we will feel about past relationships if and when we gain perfect human life in a paradise. It is good for us to remember that when Jesus made that statement he was a perfect human and therefore in a better position than we to appreciate the feelings of those who are "counted worthy of gaining that system of things." We can also trust that Jesus is able to ‘sympathize with our present weaknesses.’ (Hebrews 4:15) So if a Christian finds it hard to accept the conclusion that resurrected ones will not marry, he can be sure that God and Christ are understanding. And he can simply wait to see what occurs.

    There is no reason now to overemphasize this matter. The psalmist wrote: "Know that Jehovah is God. It is he that has made us, and not we ourselves. We are his people and the sheep of his pasturage . . . Give thanks to him, bless his name. For Jehovah is good." (Psalm 100:3-5) Our good God will certainly provide amply for our true needs if we are "counted worthy of gaining that system of things."—Job 34:10-12; Psalm 104:28; 107:9.

    God’s goodness is reflected also in his informing us that the death of a mate concludes the marriage. (Romans 7:2) Thus anyone who has lost a mate can know that he or she is free to remarry now if that seems needed or best. Some have remarried, thereby helping to fill their own present needs and those of their family. (1 Corinthians 7:36-38; Ephesians 6:1-4) Consequently, a Christian whose mate has died should not feel obliged to remain mateless now out of an expectation that former marriage mates will be reunited in the resurrection to life here on earth in the coming system.

    [Footnotes]

    If an Israelite died before his wife brought forth a son who could receive the inheritance, the man’s brother had to marry the widow with the view of producing a son by her.—Deuteronomy 25:5-10.

  • sinis
    sinis

    My take on that scripture is that Jesus was speaking of the holy ones or those chosen to be co rulers in that kingdom. I do not believe that they will go to heaven or even a 144,000. I believe that they will rule on earth in a similiar fashion as the priests/temple service of ancient Isreal. They will serve the people and will not be married so that they can devote there time and energies to the people as was in the case of temple services in ancient Isreal.

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    Human emotions today might make this a difficult conclusion to accept. But it is to be noted that nowhere does the Bible say that God’s resurrecting the faithful means restoring their marital status. Hence, no one believes that if Aquila and Priscilla have gained life in heaven, they have resumed their marriage. (Acts 18:2) And Joseph and Mary will evidently live in different realms—he on earth and she in heaven. (John 19:26; Acts 1:13, 14) Since none of us have lived in heaven, we cannot say what feelings Aquila, Priscilla, and Mary might have there, yet we can be sure of their finding full contentment in their heavenly service.

    Thanks for posting it!!!!!

    So even if you are the parent of Jesus himself, you don't get the right to go to Heaven. If you're a member of the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society, you do. Publishing magazines and running a book publishing company is deserving of a heavenly reward, birthing and raising the Son of God is not.

    Similarly, we have never lived as perfect humans. Thus we cannot be sure how we will feel about past relationships if and when we gain perfect human life in a paradise. It is good for us to remember that when Jesus made that statement he was a perfect human and therefore in a better position than we to appreciate the feelings of those who are "counted worthy of gaining that system of things." We can also trust that Jesus is able to ‘sympathize with our present weaknesses.’ (Hebrews 4:15) So if a Christian finds it hard to accept the conclusion that resurrected ones will not marry, he can be sure that God and Christ are understanding. And he can simply wait to see what occurs.

    The entire reason I was told I am not going to Heaven is that I enjoy things earthly life has to offer, meaning I only have the hope to be resurrected to earth. So now one of the main things that I do enjoy (marriage, companionship, sex) is unavailable to me?

    Then the questions Midwich brought up arise again: why can those who survive Armageddon get married, while those that are resurrected cannot?

    There is no reason now to overemphasize this matter.

    No, instead let's gloss over this major issue.

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo
    The entire reason I was told I am not going to Heaven is that I enjoy things earthly life has to offer, meaning I only have the hope to be resurrected to earth

    YES rebel8 !!! I have been told this so many times - yet how would we know? We've never lived in Heaven to compare! Nor can we imagine what Heavenly life would be, yet we are 'compensated' with an Earthly existance as it's all we know.

    Similarly, we have never lived as perfect humans. Thus we cannot be sure how we will feel about past relationships if and when we gain perfect human life in a paradise.

    .....and yet we are supposed to trust in feelings we haven't experienced yet! There's a contradiction (or 2) somewhere.

    Thanks for bringing the WT 'article' to my attention rebel8.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    It only seems cruel because the Society has invented its own conceptualization of the resurrection (e.g. involving perfected fleshly bodies, created from scratch from "God's memory", and populated in a utopian world full of material pleasures pleasing to the senses), in which sex would seem perfectly possible....so why would God prevent it? This is an entirely different conception of the resurrection than the one actually believed by first-century Jews and Christians.

  • Hellrider
    Hellrider
    If you can get a hold of the Watchtower article of June 1, 1987, pages 30-31, you will see it stated that the New System will probably not entail marriage.

    The whole thing is just retarded. No sex, no love, no flirting. Probably no alcohol, no smokes, no party, no "worldly" movies, no "worldly" litterature. Only praise Jehovah. Oh yeah, and you can go mountain hiking and stuff. Sports. Swimming. Football. Inbetween praising Jehovah. But if you`re gonna live forever, I think you`re gonna get pretty sick of both hiking, swimming and football. Where`s the eternal life? Eternal boredom is more like it.

    ..and they were ALL bloke angels too. Maybe then the resurrected can have a bit of 'rumpy pumpy', but just not marry eh?

    Hm, I could be wrong, but I thought angels were supposed to be of neutral gender? No genitals, I think. So the rumpy pumpy wouldn`t even amount to much.

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    full earth = no sex

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo
    Hm, I could be wrong, but I thought angels were supposed to be of neutral gender? No genitals, I think. So the rumpy pumpy wouldn`t even amount to much.

    Yes Hellrider, I agree, that was my point - that the resurrected would be brought back 'sexless' to distinguish them from the living and marriageable. Then Gill brought up the 'Nephilim' - the product of God's sons and Earthly women. 'God's children' took on a male role.

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