Americans, Do You Think it's Time to Get Out of Iraq?

by Robdar 63 Replies latest jw friends

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  Leolaia

  The architects of the "New American Century" who thought in the '90s that such a war was a swell idea might finally be starting to awaken from their collective delusion that the folly would be good for the country...
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  ISP

  Can we afford to stay in this war with Iraq?

  Local Costs of the Iraq War Thursday, 26 May 2005 Find out how much the Iraq War is costing taxpayers in your town, city or county. State and national information is also included. The following table breaks down the cost of the Iraq War for various towns, cities and counties across the U.S. The breakdown is based on a total cost of $204.6 billion estimated by the National Priorities Project by analyzing the legislation for the four allocations made by Congress. The first appropriated about $54 billion for the Iraq War (passed in April 2003), the second $71 billion (November 2003), the third $21.55 billion (June 2004), and the fourth $58 billion in Iraq War-related spending. The state-level costs are computed based on how much each state contributes in tax revenues, according to IRS data. The local-level costs are based on the state costs, and on relative population and incomes in each location. These numbers were updated for the latest IRS data in May, 2005. NPP will calculate the value for your town or county if you send us a request including your name, address, contact information, and any group with which you are affiliated (if any) and how you intend to use the information. STATE CITY/TOWN/COUNTY COST OF IRAQ WAR United States Entire U.S. $204.6 billion United States Per Household 1,938 United States Per Person 727 Alabama Entire State 2 billion Birmingham 83.8 million Montgomery 92.7 million Alaska Entire State 382.1 million Anchorage 170.9 million Valdez 3.2 million Arizona Entire State 2.7 billion Cochise County 49.4 million Phoenix 712 million Prescott 15.7 million Tucson 197.2 million Arkansas Entire State 1.9 billion Little Rock 154.8 million Pulaski County 310.1 million Rogers 35.4 million California Entire State 26.3 billion Arroyo Grande 12.5 million Bay Area 7.1 billion Benicia 29.7 million Berkeley 74.8 million Brea 34.6 million Butte County 106.1 million Cambria 4.6 million Campbell 41.9 million Chico 28.8 million Clayton 17.9 million Fremnt 254.9 million Goleta 54.5 million Hayward 117.3 million Humboldt County 64.6 million Imperial County 74.2 million Lodi 36.9 million Los Angeles 2.2 billion Los Angeles County 6.6 billion Manteca 37.6 million Marin County 288.5 million Martinez 37 million Mendocino County 50.8 million Modesto 124.8 million Mount Shasta 1.6 million Mountain View 80.2 million Napa 58.4 million Nevada City 1.8 million Oakland 261.8 million Orange County 2.7 billion Oxnard 135.5 million Palo Alto 86.6 million Pasadena 100.8 million Paso Robles 15.6 million Placer County 233.8 million Redding 45.2 million Richmond 71.8 million Salinas 108.1 million San Bernardino 94.5 million San Bernardino County 1.2 billion Sacramento 246.7 million San Diego 915.4 million San Diego County 2.2 billion San Francisco 701.8 million San Joaquin County 380.7 million San Jose 1 billion San Luis Obispo 23.1 million San Mateo County 819.4 million San Rafael 55.9 million Santa Barbara 71.7 million Santa Clara City 116.3 million Santa Clara County 2 billion Santa Cruz 45.2 million Santa Rosa 123 million Shasta County 91.7 million Solano County 349.2 million Sonoma County 398.3 million Stockton 140.8 million Tracy 58.4 million Vallejo 95.6 million Ventura County 735.3 million Willits 2.2 million Winters 5.5 million Yolo County 142.5 million Colorado Entire State 3.2 billion Boulder 67.3 million Chaffee County 8.9 million Colorado Springs 258.4 million Denver 348 million Durango 7.7 million Ft. Collins 83.8 million Glenwood Springs 5.4 million Greeley 44.5 million La Plata County 28 million Longmont 57.8 million Loveland 37.9 million New Castle 1.7 million Parachute 0.5 million Rifle 4.6 million Silt 1.2 million Connecticut Entire State 4.6 billion Danbury 100.9 million Greenwich 168.1 million Hartford 83.8 million Madison 43.4 million New Britain 81.5 million New Haven 101.6 million New London 24.1 million Simsbury 53.5 million Stamford 196.8 million Westport 85.7 million Delaware Entire State 1.2 billion Dover 41.1 million Wilmington 84.4 million District of Columbia Entire State 963.5 million Florida Entire State 10 billion Bradenton 27.9 million Brevard County 308.3 million Gainesville 43.4 million Hillsborough County 655.8 million Merritt Island CDP 25.4 million Miami 137.4 million Orange County 682.5 million Palm Beach County 823 million Sarasota 29 million Seminole County 335.5 million Tallahassee 74.3 million Georgia Entire State 6.1 billion Atlanta 255.3 million Brunswick 6.1 million Gwinnet County 627.9 million Hinesville 18.8 million Pooler 5.2 million Richmond Hill 5.8 million Savannah 67.3 million Thunderbolt 1.5 million Tybee Island 3 million Hawaii Entire State 654.9 million Hawaii County 64.2 million Hilo 17.3 million Honolulu 181.9 million Kailua 4.4 million Idaho Entire State 481.5 million Boise 78.1 million Idaho Falls 20.4 million Illinois Entire State 11.4 billion Chicago 2.2 billion Dupage County 1.2 billion Evanston 82.7 million Nashville 2.6 million Oak Park 61.5 million Wilmette 57.5 million Indiana Entire State 3.1 billion Anderson 23.8 million Decatur 4.3 million Fort Wayne 92 million Gary 34.2 million Indianapolis 383.4 million Madison County 63.6 million Richmond 14.5 million South Bend 42.8 million Iowa Entire State 1.4 billion Ames 22.3 million Cedar Falls 17.7 million Coralville 7 million Des Moines 93.2 million Dubuque 25.9 million Dubuque County 43.1 million Iowa City 26.6 million Johnson County 54.3 million Mt. Vernon 2.1 million Waterloo 28.6 million Kansas Entire State 1.7 billion Allen County 6.9 million Bourbon County 7.3 million Fort Scott 3.4 million Hutchinson 20.4 million Iola 2.8 million Kansas City 74.1 million Smith Center 0.8 million Smith County 2 million Topeka 67.2 million Wichita 210.2 million Kentucky Entire State 1.7 billion Lexington-Fayette 126.9 million Louisville 90.4 million Mt. Sterling 1.9 million Louisiana Entire State 1.7 billion Baton Rouge 79.7 million New Orleans 151.6 million Maine Entire State 589.4 million Bangor 11.6 million Bath 4.2 million Benton 1.2 million Brunswick 10.6 million Fairfield 3 million Freeport 5 million Harpswell 2.6 million Lewiston 12.9 million Lincoln County 16.1 million Oakland 2.6 million Portland 28.4 million Topsham 5.4 million Waterville 5.2 million Winslow 3.8 million Yarmouth 6 million Maryland Entire State 4 billion Baltimore 282.6 million Montgomery County 901.7 million Montgomery Village 36.7 million Takoma Park 12.1 million Massachusetts Entire State 5.7 billion Adams 5.1 million Agawam 24.9 million Amherst 25 million Arlington 48.9 million Ashfield 1.7 million Barnstable 39.4 million Barnstable County 186.5 million Belchertown 12.2 million Bernardston 1.7 million Blandford 1.2 million Boston 418.6 million Bourne 15.1 million Bridgewater 29.5 million Brimfield 3 million Brockton 66.8 million Brookline 68.3 million Buckland 1.6 million Cambridge 87.2 million Charlemont 1.1 million Chatham 5.4 million Chester 1 million Chesterfield 1.1 million Chicopee 35 million Colrain 1.3 million Conway 1.8 million Cummington 0.7 million Deerfield 4.2 million Dennis 2.6 million East Bridgewater 14 million East Longmeadow 15.8 million Easthampton 13 million Erving 1.1 million Fall River 47.8 million Falmouth 31.7 million Framingham 65.1 million Franklin County 52.3 million Gill 1.2 million Goshen 0.8 million Granby 6 million Granville 1.4 million Great Barrington 6.1 million Greenfield 10.8 million Hadley 4.5 million Halifax 7.7 million Hampden 6.1 million Hampden County 324.9 million Hampshire County 125.8 million Harwich 9.2 million Hatfield 2.9 million Hawley 0.2 million Heath 0.7 million Holland 2.2 million Holyoke 21.7 million Huntington 1.9 million Lawrence 36.1 million Leverett 1.9 million Leyden 0.7 million Longmeadow 21.2 million Lowell 73.9 million Ludlow 17.9 million Mashpee 0.8 million Medford 62.4 million Middleborough 18.9 million Middlefield 0.5 million Monroe 0 million Monson 7.8 million Montague 5.1 million Montgomery 0.7 million Natick 40.2 million Newburyport 18 million New Bedford 46.4 million New Salem 0.8 million North Adams 7.3 million Northampton 21.7 million Northfield 2.6 million Orange 5 million Orleans 4.8 million Palmer 9.3 million Peabody 47.3 million Pelham 1.5 million Pittsfield 29.3 million Plainfield 0.4 million Plainville 7.9 million Provincetown 2 million Raynham 12.7 million Rowe 0.3 million Russell 1.4 million Sandwich 22.1 million Shelburne 1.6 million Shutesbury 2 million South Hadley 14.4 million Southampton 6 million Southwick 8.3 million Springfield 82.9 million Sunderland 2.5 million Tolland 0.4 million Truro 1.6 million Wales 1.5 million Ware 6.4 million Warwick 0.6 million Wellesley 54.2 million Wellfleet 2.1 million Wendell 0.8 million West Bridgewater 6.7 million West Springfield 20.1 million Westfield 32.5 million Westhampton 1.6 million Westport 14.1 million Whately 1.7 million Wilbraham 15.7 million Williamsburg 2.1 million Williamstown 7.8 million Winchester 35.1 million Worcester 110.3 million Worthington 1.2 million Yarmouth 17.7 million 1st Congressional District 461.4 million 6th Congressional District 657.5 million Michigan Entire State 5.6 billion Alger County 4.5 million Ann Arbor 66.5 million Baraga County 3.7 million Bridgewater township 1.4 million Chelsea 2.8 million Crawford County 6 million Chippewa County 16.7 million Delta County 17.2 million Detroit 353.8 million Dickinson County 12.1 million Freedom township 1.2 million Gogebic County 6 million Grand Rapids 110.2 million Grayling 0.6 million Houghton County 13.1 million Iron County 4.7 million Kalamazoo 30.3 million Keweenaw County 0.8 million Lansing 52.3 million Luce County 2.8 million Ludington 3 million Mackinac County 5 million Mancherster township 2.9 million Manchester Village 1.3 million Marquette County 28.9 million Menominee County 10.5 million Ontonagon County 2.9 million Pontiac 26.1 million Schoolcraft County 3.5 million Sharon township 1.6 million Upper Peninsula 132.5 million Minnesota Entire State 4.7 billion Albert Lea 12.1 million Duluth 59 million Mankato 22.1 million Minneapolis 292.1 million Rochester 84.7 million St. Paul 223.8 million Winona 17.9 million Mississippi Entire State 918.7 million Greenville 11.1 million Jackson 57.8 million Lee County 28.2 million Tupelo 13.5 million Washington County 16.7 million Missouri Entire State 3.4 billion Kansas City 261.9 million Lafayette County 20.1 million Lexington 2.3 million St. Louis 150.8 million Montana Entire State 321.1 million Butte 11.1 million Helena 9.6 million Nebraska Entire State 1.5 billion Lincoln 206.6 million Omaha 352 million Nevada Entire State 1.7 billion Las Vegas 407.1 million Reno 141.2 million New Hampshire Entire State 863.2 million Alstead 1.2 million Cheshire County 44.2 million Chesterfield 2.6 million Concord 24.4 million Dublin 1.1 million Fitzwilliam 1.5 million Gilsum town 0.5 million Hampton 11.5 million Harrisville 0.7 million Hinsdale 2.1 million Jaffrey 3.5 million Keene 11.8 million Keene 11.8 million Manchester 61.6 million Marlborough 1.3 million Marlow 0.5 million Merrimack County 93.3 million Nashua 63.6 million Nelson 0.4 million North Hampton 4 million Peterborough 3.9 million Portsmouth 13.3 million Richmond 0.7 million Rindge 3.9 million Rockingham County 227.8 million Roxbury 0.2 million Rye 4.6 million Stoddard 0.5 million Sullivan 0.5 million Surry 0.5 million Swanzey 4.3 million Troy 1.2 million Walpole 2.3 million Westmoreland 1.4 million Winchester 2.2 million New Jersey Entire State 9.4 billion Jersey City 183.9 million Maplewood 38.5 million Newark 149 million Ocean City 13.7 million Parsippany 69.8 million New Mexico Entire State 643.3 million Albuquerque 177.9 million Catron County 0.9 million Jemez Pueblo (CDP) 0.6 million Jemez Springs 0.1 million Las Cruces 23.4 million Santa Fe 26 million Taos 1.2 million New York Entire State 17.2 billion Albany 60 million Ardsley 9.4 million Binghampton 25.4 million Broome County 147.9 million Buffalo 149.8 million Chautauqua County 97.6 million Dobbs Ferry 15.6 million Erie County 764.7 million East Hampton 1.6 million Greenburgh 145.5 million Hastings-on-Hudson 13.3 million Herkimer County 44.3 million Irvington 13.3 million Jamestown 17.1 million Madison County 58.2 million Monroe County 688.8 million Nassau County 2 billion New Paltz 2.7 million New York City 6.4 billion New York County 1.5 billion Oneida County 176.4 million Onondoga County 390.6 million Rockland County 406.7 million Rome 24.5 million Stony Brook (CDP) 25.8 million Suffolk County 1.9 billion Syracuse 76.8 million Tarrytown 15.9 million Tompkins County 75 million Ulster County 157.8 million Utica 31.5 million Westchester County 1.2 billion North Carolina Entire State 5.5 billion Chapel Hill 33.4 million Hillsborough 3.8 million Person County 23.2 million Raleigh 225.5 million Union County 109.8 million North Dakota Entire State 262.3 million Bismarck 25.8 million Grand Forks 19.9 million Ohio Entire State 7.5 billion Akron 110.7 million Athens 5.9 million Cincinnati 199.3 million Cleveland 198.8 million Columbus 432 million Dayton 73 million Mansfield 23.9 million Painesville 9.8 million Toledo 163.6 million Youngstown 31.8 million Oklahoma Entire State 2.6 billion Oklahoma City 396.1 million Tulsa 310.9 million Oregon Entire State 1.7 billion Albany 19.6 million Coos County 24.1 million Corvallis 21.1 million Eugene 60.1 million Grants Pass 8.2 million Junction City 2 million Lane County 145 million Multnomah County 331.3 million Myrtle Creek 1.3 million Portland 258.1 million Roseburg 7.6 million Salem 64.7 million Yamhill County 45.6 million Pennsylvania Entire State 8.2 billion Allegheny Co. 817.2 million Aliquippa 4.9 million Barrett 2.8 million Beaver County 111.6 million Bethlehem 42.5 million Chestnuthill 12 million Coolbaugh 11.8 million Delaware Water Gap Borough 0.5 million East Stroudsburg Borough 6 million Eldred 1.9 million Erie 49 million Hamilton 6.5 million Huntingdon 3.6 million Jackson 5.2 million Ligonier Borough 0.9 million Middle Smithfield 9.6 million Monroe County 106.7 million Montgomery County 759 million Mt. Pocono Borough 1.8 million Paradise 2.1 million Philadelphia 776.2 million Pittsburgh 159.1 million Pocono 7.4 million Polk 4.9 million Price 2.2 million Ross 4.4 million Smithfield 4.9 million Stroud 12.4 million Stroudsburg Borough 3.1 million Tobyhanna 4.4 million Tunkhannock 3.5 million York 18 million Rhode Island Entire State 849.4 million Little Compton 3.8 million Newport 20.7 million Providence 89.8 million South Carolina Entire State 1.6 billion Charleston 36.3 million Columbia 38.5 million South Dakota Entire State 326 million Rapid City 26.2 million Sioux Falls 62.5 million Tennessee Entire State 3.1 billion Greene County 29 million Greeneville 6 million Knoxville 72.6 million Memphis 318.9 million Nashville 325.2 million Obion County 16.2 million Weakley County 15.9 million Texas Entire State 16.6 billion Amarillo 120.8 million Arlington 315.8 million Austin 558.2 million Beaumont 73.8 million Brownsville 68.1 million Bryan 41.4 million College Station 28.6 million Dallas 890.7 million Dripping Springs 1.8 million Dripping Springs-Wimberly Sub-County Area 28.2 million El Paso 360.6 million Galveston 32.9 million Georgetown 30.5 million Hays County 109.4 million Houston 1.4 billion Potter County 66.7 million Randall County 88.7 million Round Rock 73.5 million San Antonio 825.6 million San Marcos 25.7 million Santa Fe 9 million Tyler 56.9 million Tyler County 12.4 million Van Zandt Co. 33.6 million Williamson County 301.9 million Wimberley 4.3 million Utah Entire State 939.5 million Ogden 24.2 million Provo 33.2 million Salt Lake City 61.8 million Salt Lake County 399.8 million Utah County 155.4 million West Jordan 35.1 million West Valley 45.9 million Vermont Entire State 316.1 million Burlington 16.3 million Brattleboro 4.9 million Montpelier 3.8 million Rutland County 29.6 million Strafford 0.6 million Virginia Entire State 5.4 billion Nelson County 8.6 million Richmond 99.9 million Washington Entire State 4.8 billion Edmonds 37.5 million Island County 57.7 million Olympia 30.8 million Thurston County 172.7 million Seattle 456.8 million Spokane 111.9 million Vancouver 105.9 million White Salmon 1.4 million Yakima County 137.4 million Yakima 37.5 million West Virginia Entire State 578.7 million Charles Town 1 million Charleston 19.6 million Martinsburg 4.8 million Mingo County 6.5 million Wood County 31.6 million Wisconsin Entire State 3.3 billion Bayside 5.7 million Beaver Dam 8.1 million Belgium 1.3 million Brookfield City 41.5 million Brookfield Town 5 million Brown Deer 8.7 million Cedarburg 8.7 million Chenequa 1.2 million 5th Cong. Dist. 254.3 million Columbia County 33.3 million Delafield 5.6 million Eau Claire 31.6 million Elm Grove 7.6 million Fox Point 8 million Fredonia 1.4 million Germantown 15.5 million Glendale 10.4 million Grafton 7.8 million Grant County 25.3 million Green Bay 55.9 million Hartford 7.1 million Hartland 6.5 million Iowa County 13.6 million Jackson 3.8 million Jefferson 4.2 million Johnson Creek 1 million Kewaskum 2.3 million Lafayette County 8.5 million Lannon 0.6 million Madison 122.9 million Manitowoc 18.3 million Menomonee Falls 26.6 million Mequon 27.9 million Merton 1.9 million Milwaukee 270.8 million Milwaukee County 504.4 million Nashotah 1.4 million New Berlin 36.4 million Oconomowoc 8.9 million Ozaukee County 72.7 million Palmyra 1.1 million Pewaukee 6.2 million Polk County 24 million Port Washington 7.9 million Portage 4.9 million Racine city 42.8 million Racine County 127.8 million Richfield 10.6 million River Hills 3.7 million Sauk County 32.6 million Sauksville 3 million Shawano 3.7 million Shorewood 9.2 million Slinger 2.6 million Sussex 7.5 million Theinsville 2.6 million Wales 2.7 million Waukesha 45.7 million Wauwatosa 36.3 million West Allis 34 million West Bend 19.2 million Whitefish Bay 16.6 million Wyoming Entire State 378.4 million Casper 36.7 million Cheyenne 41.7 million

  http://www.nationalpriorities.org/publications/local_costs_of_the_iraq_war.html

  The answer has to be 'No'....the US has enough to do increasing prosperity of its general population as Katrina has shown. I am sure the above money could have been used quite productively as opposed to being squandered in a futile war.

  ISP
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  thom

  I agree that the U.S. should never have been there in the first place, but now that we are I feel the only right way to handle things is to continue.
  The death and destruction that is taking place there now is bad, but I believe it would be much worse if the U.S. were to leave. I think massive "punishments" of different groups would take place, even entire towns being leveled (with the people of course).
  How what's taking place now could be a surprise, I have no idea. But now that we're in I think we have to stick it out for the long term.
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  upside/down

  I am sure the above money could have been used quite productively as opposed to being squandered in a futile war.

  Ah the credulity of the masses...

  If the war in Iraq DIDN'T ever take place...we'd all continue to be fleeced...and NONE of the "problems" that could've been fixed with the money now instead being used for war, would be used for anything...other than cleverly being diverted to the Senate and Congress' "pet projects" to benefit their constituents.

  Funny how when vital programs such as updating infra structure and staggering PERSONAL debt and public health etc are concerned...there is no available funding (they're cutting almost ALL "social" services right now) to help...the government is all tapped out...

  But when a war is fought...miraculously theres' plenty of dough...(even if it's borrowed)...

  All though it would seem logical that IF we weren't fighting in Iraq the "money" could be used for something more productive...THAT is wishful thinking.

  It's all about priorities... the ENTIRE gang of thugs and rapists known collectively as "politicians" these days are so fuckin greedy (yes that includes Democrats!) that they should all be shot or run out of town.

  They are no different than the WTS in this regard IMO.

  I must agree (gasp!) with Mr.Simon...it's a moot question. "America" can't and WON'T leave Iraq...think of it as we substituted occupying Japan and Germany for Iraq... we spent untold BILLIONS for a "cold-war"...now we have a "hot-war"...There is no "solution" but to leave would be an even bigger disaster...

  Maybe the WTS was onto something with the whole...Beast (gov't) turning on the Harlot (Fundies) thing...It seems organized "religion" is always at the root of many of these problems...If it ever did in fact happen...I'd be all for it.

  And as Prophecor mentioned...todays youth do not seem to have the aversion to it you'd think...( it's X-box come alive)...

  The times...they are a changin...

  u/d (of the hopes he can make lemonade outta these lemons class)
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  Robdar

  Does that mean the same should have been done during the LA riots or NO? It doesn't seem fair or just for the regular people who we have inflicted this chaos on!

  Not quite the same. LA and NO are in the USA. Besides, the people in those cities are armed well enough already.
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  Robdar

  It's all about priorities... the ENTIRE gang of thugs and rapists known collectively as "politicians" these days are so fuckin greedy (yes that includes Democrats!) that they should all be shot or run out of town.

  Oh yeah. You can say that again.
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  upside/down

  So, we can agree on something?

  Very nice.

  u/d (of the my allergies are so bad I can't sleep...class)
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  Robdar

  We've agreed before lots of times. Sometimes we don't though.

  Sorry to hear about the allergies.
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  JustTickledPink

  I never thought we should have gone over there, still don't. But now that we've opened the can of worms I think it's best to fix what we can but get the hell out of there asap.
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  defd

  I do not agree with the USA being there in the first place.