Yes you can make a compelling arguement for some sort of designer, and you can make a compelling arguement against, at this point as far as I can see, no one "knows".
How can we know there is a God?
by defd 47 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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City Fan
I can remember my grandad who was never a JW once saying to me when I was very young "If God made man then who made God?"
The argument that complex things must need a creator inevitably leads to the question "Who created God?".
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Cygnus
dfed is spamming the board by pasting selective arguments from the Watchtower brochure 'Does God Care'. I certainly hope board space is not wasted in an attempt to refute these poor arguments as it has been done over and over again. Simply put, natural selection explains biology and the universe just is. A Supreme Designer could have made a lot of corrections, both in biology and in space. The list is volumnious. Either "It" was incapable of doing or or chose not to do so.
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Finally-Free
I wish someone intelligent and omnipotent would create a zero balance on my VISA statement.
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JH
I know that God exists, but where I struggle is why does he let so much suffering go by and prayers go by unanswered.
That too is proof that he doesn't exist for people who don't believe in God.
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IronGland
I certainly hope board space is not wasted in an attempt to refute these poor arguments as it has been done over and over again.
Right, because all space on this board is reserved for deep philosophical discussion. LMAO
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defd
I wish someone intelligent and omnipotent would create a zero balance on my VISA statement.
W Are you saying that someone UNINTELLIGENT created a debt on your visa?
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JH
The bible does give an answer as to why God permits ( not causes ) suffering.
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Finally-Free
Are you saying that someone UNINTELLIGENT created a debt on your visa?
Yes, the secondary cardholder who, fortunately, is no longer here. W
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Hellrider
Oh God, I remember that watchmaker-analogy. Its from the creation-book, isn`t it? And the argument goes something like: "If you put all the components of a watch in bag, and shake, even if you shaked it for 10000000000 years, it still wouldn`t assemble into a functioning watch...what then with the human eye, which is soooo much more complicated..." (etc etc).
To sum it up: This is the age-old question that religions and philosophy has discussed for 3000 years. The "everything created must have a creator"-argument is age-old, and not very impressing at all. The scottish philosopher David Hume (1711-1776) killed this argument once and for all. If you wonder how, read his short and simple book "Dialogues concerning natural religion". It`s actually published online, here: