How to brainwash only part of your brain.

by Ingenuous 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Ingenuous
    Ingenuous

    I was talking to a mental health professional (don't remember her credentials) about JWs. Part of what I couldn't get my brain around was how JWs (myself included, when I was "in") can seem to function so well in other areas, but so easily and completely give up their minds to others when it comes to the Org. The behavior seems so irrational and deluded, with so many cognitive distortions at work, that healthy functioning in other areas would appear precluded. Then the prof told me about two interesting phenomena.

    Encapsulated (Compartmentalized) Delusion - A delusion that usually relates to one specific topic or belief but does not pervade an individual's life or level of functioning.
    Folie à deux - (literally "a madness shared by two") is a rare psychiatric syndrome in which a symptom of psychosis (particularly a paranoid or delusional belief) is transmitted from one individual to another. There have been occasional claims of shared visual hallucinations that are near, to exact, duplicates. The same syndrome shared by more than one person may be called folie à trois, folie à quatre, folie à famille or even folie à plusieurs (madness of many).... Folie à deux and its more populous cousins are in many ways a psychiatric curiosity. The current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders states that a person cannot be diagnosed as being delusional if the belief in question is one "ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture". It is not clear at what point a belief considered to be delusional escapes from the folie à... diagnostic category and becomes exempt because of the number of people holding it. While a large number of people may come to believe obviously false and potentially distressing things based purely on hearsay, these beliefs are not considered to be clinical delusions by the psychiatric profession and may be labelled as mass hysteria. [emphasis added]
  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Compartmentalised delusions. Very good. I guess the jws are folie a 6,000,000.

    S

  • Nicolas
    Nicolas

    It's a lot like what George Orwell describe as "doublethink" in his book "1984"...

    "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. (...) To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies" (Georges Orwell, 1984)

  • Perry
    Perry

    I agree about the doublethink. It's important to not minimize the fact their the JW god (WTBS) requires this type of thinking. JW's use thousands of verbal triggers to elicit paranoia, fear, pride, self righteousness, lying that is not really lying because it is only used in "Jehovah's seervice" etc.

    The average witness doesn't have a chance at a normal emotional life when exposed to all this deception. Thank God that He is more powerful than the machinery of the WT and helps many people get out.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Recognizing it in others is easy and clever. A wise man assumes the same is true of himself and reevaluates even cherished beliefs. Do my beliefs appear to others as irrational? Why? Are they just ignorants or evil? If you say yes to these questions then it is possible even likely that you are deluding yourself as described above. Do people who believe as I do otherwise live lives free of superstition? Do I find that those who share a particular controvertial belief to be worthy of my respect as objective and logical thinkers or am I inclined to view many with these beliefs as misguided or poor examples of believers? IOW, Am I one of the few exceptions of logical believers? If so then it is possible even likely that you are deluding yourself as described above.

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Perry hit it right on the head about the whole JW belief system.

  • Hellrider
    Hellrider

    Nicolas and Perry hit it right on the spot. Yes, Orwell was great. I actually like Animal Farm even better than 1984. It was so funny reading it, and even though it was primarily about tyrannic regimes and ideologies, to me, I could see the JW-ism in it too. When the pigs rewrite history, and erase all traces of what the ideology was like before, it`s a bit like the WTbts. Doublethink is an amasing phenomenon. Oh, and I should add, about Folie a deux: When I was younger, the first few years after I left the JW-upbringing, I was involved with some ... alternative people, and there were drugs involved. So once, a couple of buddies of mine was on an acid trip, they wee laying in the grass watching the skies and trees and all, and the funny thing was that they saw the exact same things/visions. Dragons in the skies, the trees turning into monsters, etc. It truly IS possible to share the same visions, although I think some conversation has to be involved.

  • Perry
    Perry
    Am I one of the few exceptions of logical believers?

    No. You are a purveyor and peddler of the belief in godlessness who is also one of the most prolific critic of Christians on this board. Yet, you have faith in a mindless infinite digression of cause and effect events you call eternity past, your origin; which requires belief since it cannot be counted as testable science. Rather than trying to write something original and from your heart of beliefs regarding your world view, and try to win support from others that way, you regularly trash others beliefs in what appears to be hopes of gaining converts by reason of default instead of by logic or persuasion. Not to worry. Christians are used to getting dumped on and is part of the Life within us. It serves a useful purpose just as you do.

    Do my beliefs appear to others as irrational?

    Mostly they just appear mean spirited. But yes, they do also appear to lack substance. When the scientific leaders of your worldview present discoveries that appear to contridict that world view, you blame it on Christians. That IS irrational. It is promoting paranoia the same way you did to your congregation as their Elder in the JW community with their system of psychological cult triggers we are all so very familiar with. This appears to be your own home grown form of Orwillian "stop think" which qualifies YOU as a deceiver and an enemy of God. However, you do not have anything to fear from Christians. We love our enemies because Christ makes it possible for us to do so, not of any credit on our own. I will say a prayer for you.

    I am still waiting for support for your assertions here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/98702/1.ashx

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    "I will say a prayer for you"

    Hey Pete, you must feel so much better now!!! LOL <<gag>>

  • SeymourButts
    SeymourButts

    Geez Perry....talk about Christian arrogance! You really need to take that mirror you hold up for others and look into it yourself.

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