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individuals wife

Interesting comment made in the chat room yesterday.... it was noted that during a talk by a bethelite at a recent DC he made the following point - the reason we are not on the other side of Armageddon is that we (JWs) do not and have not listened to authority.. now it has to wait like the disobedient Israelites had to.. until the next generation.

Now, I would presume this is some more of this 'new light' because I'd never heard this thought before... has anyone else heard it?
Can anyone elaborate further.... I wasn't there myself...

Interesting implications though, the disobedient Israelite generation did not get into the promised land did they? It was the next generation that got the reward, what does that say about the current JWs?

The delay in Armageddon it appears is being blamed on the shortcomings of the followers, the GB is not accepting any responsibility for getting things wrong...

So, according to the society, it is the JWs themselves who have prevented Armageddon from happening sooner, mmmmmmm......

Stephanus

So the more disobedient the Dubs are, the longer humanity has to continue to enjoy itself outside JEhovah's rules? It could only be a Dub doctrine... <shakes head>

w75 9/1 519 Insight on the News One young promiscuous woman who received a kidney from her older, conservative, well-behaved sister, at first seemed very upset. Then she began imitating her sister in much of her conduct.

neyank

Shame on those bad JWs.
For shame,for shame,for shame.

I mean, the WTS must be right.
Musn't it???????? (Is musn't a word?)

After all, the WTS says it gets their info. from God.
Don't they????

So if they say, Armageddon hasn't come because of the individual JWs, I'll buy that.

After all, the WTS has declared it. So it must be right.

neyank

zev

is there anyone who can actually confirm hearing this?

-Zev
-August 8th, 2001 - The day the lambs ROARED

individuals wife

zev - this is what I am looking for... confirmation and elaboration... this is such a significant new thought that I thought it had to be investigated further.

zev

i agree....if that statement was made with the ok of the g.b. by a bethelite...i'd say my days as a jw are done right freeking now!

-Zev
-August 8th, 2001 - The day the lambs ROARED

Maximus

The elderly Brooklyn gerontocrats have got to come up with SOME reason things have gone on so long, right? In this not-so-subtle way the blame is placed elsewhere, and that's been going on for a very long time. I've heard reports of some bizarre things being stated from the platform by elderly GB members this summer, at least one of whom was clearly confused and had to be helped by assistants. Depending on one's point of view, that can be a revelation. "This is the guy that is making decisions for me?"

What I'm saying is that it was not a manuscript talk, someone would have had to deviate with personal comments, and that sounds like the scenario you paint. The audience as a whole doesn't think things through. Disobedient to what? Prohibitions on blood? Not enough preaching?

Folks go home mesmerized ... deeeeeeeep.

Max

Pathofthorns

I know the people who are running the show are off their rockers, but I can't see them officially endorsing a comment like this one.

All talks at a DC are carefully followed by brothers to make sure there is no deviation from the outline and if such a comment was made at a DC, it would have been made at ALL DCs.

To be sure, there are many parallels that the WTS could draw from ancient Isreal and they conveniently fail to draw the ones that highlight the numerous times Isreal was led into sin because of bad leadership leading to God's ultimately rejecting them.

At best this comment that was supposedly heard probably came from someone taking a few liberties in a local talk, or maybe someone just got a little too carried away reading another post by MDS

Path

Francois

This "new light" if that's what it is, is right out of the "True Believer" playbook. It comes under the heading "blame the victim."

Remember when Armageddon didn't happen on schedule? Wasn't the Borg's fault. They never said it. The fault lay with the rank and file. THEY did it to themselves absent any direction from HQ.

So here's the dynamic. JWs are thoroughly trained NOT to think for themselves. This point isn't even arguable. So beginning in the summer of 1966, with no direction from the Borg, the R&F JWs - who would never think to think for themselves - decided to think that Armageddon was coming in 1975. And when it didn't happen, the Borg defended itself by blaming the victims. Later, the Borg was forced to admit that the '75 debacle was "a natural enough mistake to make."

That reminded me of Deut. 18:22, When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him, unless the prophet that hath spoken excuseth himself saying, "Lo, it was a natural enough mistake to maketh." Then you must tremble, banging your knees asunder, and continue to hangeth upon every word of the prophet that blameth thou thee, waiting for the next mistake which will so naturally cometh.

So now the great Jehovah, tribal god of savages and sheep herders, who changeth no..., um, changes not, has changed his mind. The actions of his children on this planet has made him change his mind. Now he's not going to destroy the world on schedule. Damn! And I've been waiting all this time to see someone's eyeballs rot in their sockets, to see some four-month old baby's flesh fall right off the bones, to see young lover's tongues pulled out by buzzards. Damn!

Well, if the analogy holds, I guess JWs won't have to work anymore for food. All they have to do is get up each morning and scrape the manna off their windshields. I wonder what driving through that stuff is like? Anyone got any ideas about that? And the flavor. Well. Tastes are much more sophisticated now than they were back then. I want pizza-flavored manna. My next-door neighbor says it's steak-flavored manna for him or the hell with it.

Armageddon ain't comin' 'cause JWs have been disobedient my achin' ass.

Note to governing body: what about that debate boys? Got the balls for it?

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

Lindy

I question why this hasn't been brought out at all the conventions, or has it and no one caught it? Or was it just this bethelite speaking what he thought? None of the ones here who still go to the conventions have mentioned this. But this is a good one. I didn't think of it, Bible example and all!

Anyways, doesn't that info bring up more questions? It does to me. When did the "next generation begin this time? What about the promise of "this" generation not ending without the new system? What about this earth being so polluted that it can't go on without God's intervention? What about all the signs of the end? Does the Bible say that there will be new ones or do the same ones start over again at the "new end" of the "next generation"? How are the "new" ones to believe the "new signs" are the ones, when these signs for the past 100 years were supposed to be the "worst ever"? How bad do the new signs have to be"? Guess we don't need to worry about the world say "Peace, peace, and there will be now peace" anymore. The hurricanes and the tornados and earthquakes will have to
take a breather too. War will have to calm down a bit too, so the "new generation" will be able to see a difference to the past ones!

What about Satan being thrown down to the earth knowing he has little time left? I bet he's happy for the extention! Now he can make the earth even worse and see if the "next generation" can hold up when this one didn't! Demons must be thrilled and looking for even more items to possess to lure JWs away. The Smurfs will have to make a come-back!

What about the annointed numbers dropping down in numbers and how does that work with only 144,000 going to heaven and the fact that the Society says that some will be alive during the end, with so few left now? Life extension for them up to 200? With science pulling off some great things in the medical field and life expectancy taking a turn for longer years which are already reaching up towards 100, and the discoveries extending it up past 120 plus not impossible, how does that fit in the "generation" numbers? Might come in handy to explain things, huh? I thought the "love of the greater number sooling off" was a sign that the end was near and not a sign to extend to the next generation?

Or maybe there is a scripture that will account for "new ones" in that area? What about the field service, already dwindling down, how are JWs going to encourage the "next generation" to be "obedient" when they aren't? With the world getting more "wicked" and "Satan's influence" so great how will the next generation beat him off? And these are just things popping off the top of my head! This "new thought" and possibly "new light" hasn't been thought out very well. If they impliment this, there will be a bigger exit than ever, nothing compared to the one when the end didn't come in the mid 70's!

Lindy

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