Why naturalism is irrational (page 31)

Shining One

Jgnat,
Don't assert that a group or persons who do not reflect the stamp of true Christiaity are in fact Christians. That is pure hog wash and you know it. What you are attempting to do (as usual) is to portray fundamentalists in the same light as Islamic radicals and I am not going to stand for it. You are conveniently painting all with the same brush. I do not know your motives because I do not know you. I do know that some people do not like those who take scriptures seriously because it exposes their own lukewarm, compromising position. The Pope did apologize for the lack of action of his denomination, so be it. I assert that the true Christians of the era, both Catholic and Protestant did what they could to try and help the Jewish people out. It was the LUKEWARM, cowardly, alleged 'Christians' who did not help.
The National Socialists, cousins of the Communists, were a occult centered political party that carried out evolutionary philosophy and the 'survival of the fittest' to its logical conclusion. What is that conclusion? Man is nothing but a higher form of animal. If you want to improve the race of man you simply eliminate all of the weaker and faulty genetic influences. That horrible conclusion led to the final, logical solution: extermination of the faulty genetic influences to purify the human race!
You don't like that? Neither do I but that is what the wonderful 'age of enlightenment' is all about: if you set up the right social system then man's 'inherent goodness' will rise to the top.
Rex

Shining One

Tetra,
I you want to talk about the crusades, I suggest you block a year of so worth of time to this forum.
Rex

Shining One

Hi Jgnat,
From your links, assuming that the Wikipedia is true in this case:
"Shortly after he came to the Imperial throne, Theodosius ended the Arian dispute by the simple expedient of issuing an edict. On this day February 27, 380 (some authorities say 381) this edict commanded everyone to be a Christian. But not just any kind of Christian. A Catholic Christian, it said, was one who held the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to be one Godhead and equal in majesty. This, of course, was the essential position of the Nicene Creed. Theodosius' decision was the result of his upbringing: he was reared in a Christian home, perhaps the first emperor to enjoy that distinction.(His behavior wasn't always Christian, however, as the premeditated massacre of thousands of civilians at Thessalonica showed in 390)."

Did he appear to filter his decisions through the 'law of love', Jgnat? Do his actions sound 'Christlike'? If not, was it likely that he was truly a Christian?

"The Albigensian Crusade (1209-1229) was a brutal 20-year military campaign initiated by the Roman Catholic Church to eliminate the religion practiced by the Cathars of Languedoc, which the Roman Catholic hierarchy considered heretical. It is historically significant for a number of reasons: the violence inflicted was extreme even by medieval standards; the church offered legally sanctioned dominion over conquered lands to northern French nobles and the King of France, acting as essentially Catholic mercenaries, who then nearly doubled the size of France, acquiring regions which at the time had closer cultural and language ties to Catalonia (see Occitan). Finally, the Albigensian Crusade had a role in the creation and institutionalization of the Medieval Inquisition."

Does this pope's actions seem in the least bit, Christlike? If not, how do we know he is a Christian? Doesn't scripture tell us that our actions betray our true nature? BTW, which sins condemn us to eternal death in light of scripture and which ones do not?
Rex

Shining One

Old Soul,
Do the violent actions of certain Klansmen brand them as truly Christian? Do their acts line up with the teachings of Christ?
Rex

Daunt

Saying the words true or truth is so loaded in religious speak it's rediculous.

jgnat

I see, "Shining One/Rex". You would dismiss all radical self-proclaimed Christians who undertake violent revolution as unchristian then. As Cygnus helpfully pointed out, that would go the same for the radical Muslims.

I just want to be clear on that point. Are there any Christian groups today that you would consider pure in this regard? Or would you have to evaluate individuals and their behavior? There are a couple statements I want you to take back, because I KNOW you are not a mind-reader:

That is pure hog wash and you know it.

No, I was absolutely sincere. You do not know my motives.

What you are attempting to do (as usual) is to portray fundamentalists in the same light as Islamic radicals and I am not going to stand for it.

No, I was challenging the pristine-pure image you were painting of Christianity, with a pretty wide brush I might add.

I assert that the true Christians of the era, both Catholic and Protestant did what they could to try and help the Jewish people out.

There were a few heroes, I agree. When I look at the numbers, though, I am shocked at how few there were. Here is what one of those contemporary Christian heroes said of that time:

When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and Industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church-and there was nobody left to be concerned.Martin Niemoller 1892-1984.
Taken from the "Congressional Record" 14 Oct. 1968

The Righteous Among the Nations... I took the time to count up the Christian heroes recognized in Israel. Have you?

OldSoul

Do the violent actions of certain Klansmen brand them as truly Christian?

No more so than do the acts of certain violent Isalmists brands them as truly Moslem.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

LittleToe

OldSoul:
Nice to see you didn't bogart - Rex got a lung full

ShiningOne:There are some levels of Christian Fundamentalism that bear a direct comparison to Muslim Fundamentalists. Don't excuse the lot as a sweeping generalisation

tetrapod.sapien

rex,

I you want to talk about the crusades, I suggest you block a year of so worth of time to this forum.

clearly, english is a strange a foreign language to you.

i have no idea what in the H-E-L-L you are talking about.

ts

Caedes

The National Socialists, cousins of the Communists, were a occult centered political party that carried out evolutionary philosophy and the 'survival of the fittest' to its logical conclusion.

Much as I hate to link to such a site, but I couldn't find the quote in a more historical site, for that I apologise.

http://www.stormfront.org/books/mein_kampf/

Hitler used anything he could lay his hands on to further his cause, Tell me do you think that the quote on the link makes Hitler a christian?

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