From Jw to born again ................. (page 2)

ozziepost

LT:

You know!

Seriously, don;t you just hate labels and definitions and......

Oh, all right, #3

tetrapod.sapien

I simply mean that I would put far-right [Christian / Muslim / JW / Atheist] fundamentalists in a similar camp.

LMAO! good one LT. although, i know you're serious when you say that. the atheists you are talking about must be the ones who deny that they could be wrong about their worldview. you know, the ones who fly planes into sky scrapers and molest young children and deny medical treatment to loved ones because they read an "all or nothing" statement in a carl sagan book. yup. know lots o them.

you also left out the hindus and sikhs.

vitty,

seriously, i don't know why anyone would trade jehovah for jesus or allah.

god shaped hole? ya, i think that is a pretty good description of a psychological need that must be answered in most everyone. i fill mine with walks in the hills, and visiting the hubble space telescope online gallery, and the odd bong hit. it's just chemicals in the brain.

ts

JamesThomas

The theology changes, but the attitude doesn't

Kinda like rearranging the posters on jail-cell walls.

j

kid-A

Kinda like rearranging the posters on jail-cell walls.

Perfectly put !! I find it difficult how anybody can buy into the whole religion deal after experiencing the borg.

Really, its just substituting one brand of psychological anaesthesia for another......

BrendaCloutier

For me the explanation is simple: From one egocentric, self-righteous, fanatic group to another. Just replacing what they lost or left behind.

Me? I'm a born-again agnostic!

Joel Wideman

I believe that you cannot know God unless your mind is free.

LittleToe

James:
Aye, only more so....

...they're too myopic to see the walls, and hence they don't even know what colour they are.

Tetra:Let's not go there. There are few people who would fly into a building, however mans' inhumanity to man is well attested to, with or without fundamentalist viewpoints.

Would you steal the crutch from the genuinely lame?

AK - Jeff

I never really understood what the whole 'Born Again' thing means to people.

Jesus told Nicodemus it was needed. But what is it? An experience? A moment? A journey without a moment to confine it?

Honestly - though I consider myself a follower of Christ [ergo Christian], I would not know how to answer the question "Have you been born again?" I simply would not know how to define it.

Can a person bring this on himself, or is a special divine appointment and selection needed?

Honest questions - can anyone give me an honest answer without cloaking it in so much BS I can not grasp what they say?

Jeff

West70

If I had read and replied to this thread three years ago, my post would probably have been the one that heaped the most ridicule of all on those other posters claiming to be "Born Again Christians".
Even after learning the truth about the "the lie", I continued to despise people who claimed to be "born again".

All that stopped nearly three years ago, when over a period of a few weeks I was tutored by the Holy Spirit on the topic generally referred to as "the trinity". There wasn't anything particularly noteworthy going on in my life. I despised the Trinity Doctrine just as much as I did people who claimed to be Born Again. I had never been interested in researching the Trinity Doctrine, and I wasn't so at the time that this happened. I had often bragged as a XJW that I could not anticipate ANY SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES under which I would ever believe the essentials of the Trinity Doctrine. Naturally, as someone reared JW, I had no clue about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, much less that one could be tutored by the HS. But, I was, and a few weeks later I realized that Jesus Christ was now my Lord and Savior; that I had been born again as a Son of God out of my previous "state of death"; and that all this came solely due to the indwelling of the HS, and that all this (God's grace) was gifted to me DESPITE ALL MY NUMEROUS FLAWS, and certainly NOT because of a single thing that I had done to be worthy of such.

WHY I received God's Grace THEN or AT ALL, I cannot tell you. I simply KNOW that I did.

I also know for a fact that every single person reading this post can also experience what I did, even those who will line up to ridicule this post. Three years ago, I would have been first in line if I had read this.

JamesThomas

West70, warm welcome to the forum.

I do not question that you had a grand experience.

If I may i would like to ask: does this "Holy Spirit" - of which you speak - present itself as totally all inclusive, unconditional with no beginning and no end, or is it somehow circumscribed and contingent upon specific conditions and/or beliefs? In what ways is it limited, if any?

What about someone like myself who does not accept Jesus as my Saviour, and who does not believe or give worship to a personal god out there?

Welcome again,

j

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