Posts by ellderwho

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Commentary Press - Trinity

by Greenpalmtreestillmine in

there's a new essay on commentary press discussing the trinity.

http://www.commentarypress.com/eng-onetruegod.html .

for any interested in that topic.

Proposition # 5: John 5:18 says, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill [Jesus because he] ...was calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." And at John 10:30, 38 Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" and "the Father is in me and I am in the Father." This shows that he is with the Father in a triune God.

Response: Paul helps us to get the proper sense of John 5:18 at Galatians 4:1 where he wrote, "the heir ...is owner of all the estate." By claiming to be God's Son, the Jews understood Jesus to be claiming to be God's heir, and therefore, making a claim to His authority; but they did not construe this to mean that he was literally God

The above is the same baloney that "Reasoning From the Scriptures" explanation of John 5:18

What

is the meaning of John 5:18?

John 5:18, RS: "This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God."

It was the unbelieving Jews who reasoned that Jesus was attempting to make himself equal with God by claiming God as his Father. While properly referring to God as his Father, Jesus never claimed equality with God. He straightforwardly answered the Jews: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing." (John 5:19, RS; see also John 14:28; John 10:36.) It was those unbelieving Jews, too, who claimed that Jesus broke the Sabbath, but they were wrong also about that. Jesus kept the Law perfectly, and he declared: "It is lawful to do good on the sabbath."

They both totally dispose of the text "making himself equal to God"

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Say Something Jehovah's Witnessy........

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know there's no such word as "witnessy" but this can be a fun thread.

ellderwho

The ultimate:

"Evil slave class"

You know this meant something serious!

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The "bodily reserrection of Christ"doctrine and John 2:19-22

by booker-t in

i have been examing this doctrine for a very long time and i must admit it makes no sense at all.

when i talk to born-again christians about this doctrine the first place they always run to in the bible is john 2:19-22. the verse simple states: destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up.

the jews thought he was talking about the temple building.

ellderwho

Whatever a glorified body looks like I can't say. But it seems to me that after the resurrection Jesus had a real body because it bore the marks of his crucifixion, which he had Thomas touch, so there is continuity here, but his body was also transformed so that he could appear in the midst of the disciples who were behind closed doors; moreover, on occasion they didn't recognize him.

What I always thought was interesting was Jesus didnt bleed all over Thomas from the wounds in hands and side.

Or Jesus didnt say " do you have any dressings for these bleeding wounds"??

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The "bodily reserrection of Christ"doctrine and John 2:19-22

by booker-t in

i have been examing this doctrine for a very long time and i must admit it makes no sense at all.

when i talk to born-again christians about this doctrine the first place they always run to in the bible is john 2:19-22. the verse simple states: destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up.

the jews thought he was talking about the temple building.

ellderwho

The Jews thought he was talking about the temple building. But John explains that he was talking about the temple of his body." From these verses born-agains have created a very far-fetched doctrine that makes no sense scriptually. ..................... First of all the most important question I would ask is how is Jesus if he took his body to heaven going to use the bathroom? If it is the same body that he died in then he would have to be able to use the bathroom.

First off Booker-t are you coming back?

And who raised Jesus from the dead?

First of all there are so many questions that come to mind if we believe that Jesus arose in his fleshly body and took it to heaven.

The WTBTS says Jesus found a body with the similar holes in it

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Jesus/Michael Is there a change?

by aniron in

a neighbour of mine had jw's call.

they told her that jesus was not the archangel michael!!

have they changed or what?

ellderwho

Blondie,

Thanks for the reality check.

LT, Yeah I showed my moms elder husband those verses as well. He squirmmed alittle, that was it.

Like most cults the biggest problem "what to do with Jesus"???

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Jesus/Michael Is there a change?

by aniron in

a neighbour of mine had jw's call.

they told her that jesus was not the archangel michael!!

have they changed or what?

ellderwho

Good point Gary,

Look at how the "kurios" in v15 its translated as "Jehovah" but in verse 16 its just plain ole Lord.

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For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah?s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel?s voice and with God?s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.......NWT

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Jesus/Michael Is there a change?

by aniron in

a neighbour of mine had jw's call.

they told her that jesus was not the archangel michael!!

have they changed or what?

ellderwho

*** g02 2/8 pp. 16-17 Who Is Michael the Archangel? ***
The
Bible?s Viewpoint
Who
Is Michael the Archangel?

XQs, Very interesting, anything more recent???

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"Brownboys back and he's gonna get y'all in trouble..." Q & A Session

by Rabbit in

since you hijacked jez's thread, i borrowed her words for the title of your very own "welcome back brownboy" thread.. this can be fun.

everybody can ask you questions about bible prophecy and such, seeing as you and him are so close and all.

oh, waitsatan misled you...eh?

ellderwho

BB:..Your thinking ability along with every perceptiveness that God gave to you.

Ro. 3:10 just as it is written: "There is not a righteous [man], not even one; 11 there is no one that has any insight, there is no one that seeks for God. 12 All [men] have deflected, all of them together have become worthless; there is no one that does kindness, there is not so much as one." NWT

The Bible says we do not have the "perceptiveness" that you state God gave us.

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"Brownboys back and he's gonna get y'all in trouble..." Q & A Session

by Rabbit in

since you hijacked jez's thread, i borrowed her words for the title of your very own "welcome back brownboy" thread.. this can be fun.

everybody can ask you questions about bible prophecy and such, seeing as you and him are so close and all.

oh, waitsatan misled you...eh?

ellderwho

BB:..Your thinking ability along with every perceptiveness that God gave to you.

Ro. 3:10 just as it is written: "There is not a righteous [man], not even one; 11 there is no one that has any insight, there is no one that seeks for God. 12 All [men] have deflected, all of them together have become worthless; there is no one that does kindness, there is not so much as one." NWT

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"Brownboys back and he's gonna get y'all in trouble..." Q & A Session

by Rabbit in

since you hijacked jez's thread, i borrowed her words for the title of your very own "welcome back brownboy" thread.. this can be fun.

everybody can ask you questions about bible prophecy and such, seeing as you and him are so close and all.

oh, waitsatan misled you...eh?

ellderwho

BB;...The WTS is in a position to teach bible truths because they have the tools set in place to do this.

You can Live Forever on a Paradise Earth: 1989; Pg. 179 p.9

Yes, for their excessive immorality the people of Sodom and of the surrounding cities suffered a destruction from which they will apparently never be resurrected.?2 Peter 2:4-6, 9, 10a.

You can Live Forever on a Paradise Earth: 1982; Pg179 p9

" Jesus showed that at least some of the unrighteous people of ancient Sodom and Gomorrah will be present on earth during Judgment Day. Although they had been very immoral, we can expect that some of them will be ressurected."