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  Unconvincing Evidence in September Watchtower

  by bemused in

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  2. beliefs

  i was looking at the september 2015 issue of the watchtower, which, unlike the simplified and study editions, appears to be aimed at non-jws.

  a couple of articles caught my eye that quote biblical sources which are somewhat less than convincing to a non-believer.. firstly 'what do jehovah's witnesses believe?

  ' says that the core belief is that 'all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial'.

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  Revelations, the last chapter, verses 18-19, is the only book that has a dire warning about putting in or taking out any of the content of " this prophecy". I have read a few versions of this chapter and found that it is the only one not tampered with.

  What I am saying is that, it seems that any other book in the bible is up for grabs or change.........except for this Revelations. I think I have hit upon something. It is that there is no caveat to protect the rest of the bible books, no evidence that this warning is back dated to apply to Genesis onward.

  That leaves me with so many questions about the bible and various translations. I suppose I could point this out to my elder friend, but it would give him a heart attack.
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  Does This Mean JWs No Longer Point the Finger at Child Sexual Abuse in Other Religions?

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  those who still attend meetings will be better placed to answer this question.

  since the conti case - but likely some years before it became more widely known in ex-jw circles and beyond - there appear to have been no watchtower or awake news snippets on child sex abuse in the churches of christendom.

  also, do rank and file still talk to householders about the churches of christendom's cover-ups of such abuse?.

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  Yes, they do point the finger at every other religion concerning child abuse. I had an experience recently with my own family trying to tell me how evil Catholics and other religions are for their cover ups. It got nasty for a bit as I pointed out the evidence of abuse in this religion. Basically, they say it is all lies. They rarely go searching for substantiation of facts. It's far too spooky for them to read about the cases against the society. I was yelled at and had some sort of nasty name flung at my retreating back.
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  How did you feel after..

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ..you had been away from the wt for a time.

  i saw a quote tonight and it leapt off the page for me.. "now i know what it feels like to be part of a circle of friends, part of a group.

  its a very different feeling than i have had before and it feels wonderful and right'.. spoken by a lady after being released of her heart "wall" that she had established for protection.. + comments please if you like.

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  Heaven.

  Good points; all of them. I grew up with this dreadful feeling all of my life. This religion did nothing to make me content or able to enjoy a normal life. Imagine forty seven years of trying and trying to be ..........I don't even know what to call it anymore. I tried to be a JW and live the life set out by their rules. Only in my later years am I able to start disentangling my life, thoughts, feelings and what ever else was sucked out of me by this horrible religion, It's so late in the day for me to come to terms with this delusional religion, It has been incredibly hard to live with being condemned and believing I actually deserved it.

  I hope to find some peace and soon. I don't want to obsess about the lies and self righteousness that has made me so angry and sad. I will do it. I know I will.

  For now, I need to frequent sites that confirm that this is just another scam of beliefs and that I owe them nothing.
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  Reasoning on the New "1900 Years" JW Theology (from David Splane)

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  inspired by the three recent threads on david splane's new video declaring, among other things, that there was no faithful slave for 1900 years, and there may not have even been any genuine anointed ones during those years, i decided to make this post.. here are the three previous threads on this topic:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/337200001/david-splane-address-bethelites.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/323160001/new-david-splane-video-no-1900-year-faithful-slave.

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  Good logical obvious (to those who think) points. Plus the bible speaks of the Bereans as having gone through scripture to verify all that they were told.
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  Article in Australian newspaper regarding jw shunning and charity

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may have been posted before.

  however, if you want to read the article about jw shunning and denial of this practice, then have a read.

  there is mention of redefining "charity" in terms of how that operates.. http://www.smh.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html.

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  This a portion of the newspaper article

  Late last year the federal government set up a body called the Australian Charities and Not For Profits Commission (ACNC) to regulate charities with tax-exemptions. It can de-register charities. A treasury spokesman said the government could soon redefine charities and boost their requirement for 'public benefit.'

  "At the moment groups like the Jehovah's Witnesess and Scientology are subsidised by the taxpayer," Senator Xenophon said. He said the French government's cultbusting agency Miviludes had been effective.

  Victoria's current state inquiry into how churches handle child sex abuse has submissions from former Jehovah's Witnesses. One includes allegations of rape, sexual assault, blackmail and death threats. Others include allegations of paedophilia.

  A spokesman for the church in Australia, Sydney solicitor Vincent Toole, dismissed the allegations and said shunning was a"myth."

  Mr Aron, who has written two books on cults and has investigated them for thirty years, said the Jehovah's Witnesses were an outwardly benign group but they withheld information from potential recruits. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot celebrate Christmas, Easter or birthdays. They are not allowed to have blood transfusions, sing the natiuonal anthem or salute the national flag.

  "They come to your door on a Sunday morning and you have a wonderful discussion about God but they never tell you that once entrenched in the religion you may never be able to say happy birthday to your children again."

  They don't celebrate birthdays because they say there are no birthdays in the Bible, which Aron, an observant Jew, maintains is not true. "There's no Moomba in the Bible either," he says. "And no football. Does that mean we shouldn't do those things either?"

  Jehovah's Witnesses believe they have God's messages to themselves, that all other religions are wrong, that the end of the world will come and only those in 'The Truth' will survive. They have predicted the end of the world five times. They also believe Satan has ruled the earth since 1914.
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  David Splane address bethelites

  by rosesinbloom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i did not write this piece.

  i enjoyed the simple and understandable reasoning.

  hope some of you enjoy it too.

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  It reads as though it came from a site called " Berean Pickets". A really good site with excellent commentary about the watchtower studies and other topics. Probably spelled that incorrectly. The main writer is Meleti Vivlon; an ex elder who stepped down. There are others that write for the site and it's open for discussion to those who join.
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  How Would a JW Respond to . . .

  by ABibleStudent in

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  2. scandals

  reading archbishop resigns after archdiocese charged with coverup article?.

  archbishop john nienstedt, deputy resign after archdiocese of st. paul and minneapolis charged with sex abuse coverup.

  | by nicole winfield.

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  My JW family would be drooling and dribbling with relish at the thought of such negative exposure for the Catholic Church. But!!! They would deny, deny, deny.......that there is any such problem within their religion. They would all rush to their tablets and bring jw.org up and prove they were spiritually clean by reading the orgs view of "other" religions and their failings. That is exactly what happens.
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  Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

  lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

  so who is lorenz reibling?

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  These men mentioned in this Australian newspaper, are making a fortune in pharmacy

  driven alternatives to blood. They have influenced the amount of blood used in

  hospitals, regardless of your; religious affiliation. I think the article above lends credence

  to the "chilling" sort of feeling people get when they feel manouvred by some combined

  group with too much influence

  www.perthnow.com.au/news/...australia/...blood.../story-fnhocxo3-1226
  
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  Article in Australian newspaper regarding jw shunning and charity

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may have been posted before.

  however, if you want to read the article about jw shunning and denial of this practice, then have a read.

  there is mention of redefining "charity" in terms of how that operates.. http://www.smh.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html.

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  Yes, the man lies barefaced about shunning. Incredible, considering the evidence of a shunning practice can quite easily be found in their own literature.

  And, yes, it would be brilliant if the charities commission took a better look at what really constitutes a "charity".
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  Article in Australian newspaper regarding jw shunning and charity

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may have been posted before.

  however, if you want to read the article about jw shunning and denial of this practice, then have a read.

  there is mention of redefining "charity" in terms of how that operates.. http://www.smh.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html.

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  This may have been posted before. I'm not sure. However, if you want to read the article about JW shunning and denial of this practice, then have a read. There is mention of redefining "charity" in terms of how that operates.

  http://www.smh.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html