Posts by umbertoecho

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Misleading The Australian Royal Commission

by mtwtf in

has the australian rc been given misleading assurances that jws will fully comply with laws demanding that child sex offenses be reported to the police?

it appears that way when we look at the background to these assurances.

several jws testified to the rc, that they would have reported all child molestation cases to the police had they had been required to do so by law.

umbertoecho

The command centre want's the elders to phone them so they can do a quick check on the legal statutes in that area, or country......or whatever.

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Misleading The Australian Royal Commission

by mtwtf in

has the australian rc been given misleading assurances that jws will fully comply with laws demanding that child sex offenses be reported to the police?

it appears that way when we look at the background to these assurances.

several jws testified to the rc, that they would have reported all child molestation cases to the police had they had been required to do so by law.

Oubliette is quite right. If there is a known crime committed and a person or persons fail to report they are culpable to a degree for not informing the police. Now I am sure there are many crimes that go unreported, but this particular one of child abuse, can land some people in very hot water.

I know this due to my own "reporting" of this crime against my children. She, the detective sat there listening, pen in hand, document infront of her........" So, are you willing to make a police report, an official report about this?"

"Yes, why do you think I'm here, just to have a chat?"

"No, I don't think that at all. It's just that we have so many come in and not make it official. When that happens we like to take actions that are in our powers to take".

That was in the early 80s. I had no qualms about what I was about to do. Not one, I wanted action for the future of the children. I wanted them to know they had been defended and I was very sorry not to have seen this side of that man. The point is, that even back then, the police did have a great capacity to involve others if not supplied with the legal go ahead of the parent, guardian or complainant. I know that not much has been done in those years. The things is, they were trying to work at it even then. I'm very aware of how they must have felt frustrated.

So there was always an obligation to report, it rarely happened though.

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Transcript for Jackson is now available for download.

by ToesUp in

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

select aug 14..

umbertoecho

I'm so bloody glad this is here for all to see. What a great access we have to every single word. Very very proud of this RC and my gratitude to them.

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New Inactive One Saying Hello to all

by Lostwun in

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friends

lostwun here, i joined 2 months ago but am now just finding the courage after doing more research to formally introduce myself to the board and embrace my new beginnings as an ex-jw.

i am a second-generation jw.

i grew up with parents who are well known and very respected in many circuits.

umbertoecho

Welcome Lostwun.

I hope this site helps you feel less alone.

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Beroean Pickets

by joe134cd in

hi i've been reading a web sight called borean pickets.

http://meletivivlon.com/2015/05/09/may-tv-broadcast-on-tv-jw-org/.

although the guy writes some real thought provoking stuff, i sort of don't know what to make of it.

umbertoecho

A good group and one that I agree, could be one of those sites that the org should be concerned about. They are pretty meticulous about getting to the facts or researching points that many of us have lived with and accepted.

I have watched it grow away from the official doctrines over time. They well mannered and have a font of knowledge between them...One of the writers is Alex Rover.

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Where mr jackson messes up.

by poopie in

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friends

he is being questioned by stewart stewart ask question about df jackson says df is a bible principle notice he did not say law.

umbertoecho

But Jehovah is a God of law too. Didn't he know that? I have my little green book next to me, the one you read before you get dunked. It talks about the aspects of Jehovah.

It is a biblical law according to WTBTS. This makes it alllll better..............

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Women are Women and Men are men in the Real World , apparently not in J.W.`s world.

by smiddy in

according to j.w.`s the 144000 are a literal number of people , both men and women taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens .this would also include judging in this role.

(see another thread about women as judges).

women in the religion of j.w.`s have no place in leadership roles ,cannot be elders , ministerial servants , or serve in any position of authority , and have no teaching voice in any congregation .. yet faithful anointed women can , upon their death rule with christ jesus in heaven for 1000 years according to j.w.

umbertoecho

Maybe they think that real humans are only the ones with..............you know what. And that therefore it is unnecessary for women to be portrayed. All those pictures are really of men and women, but the women have been graced with the male genitals.....?Sorry about that.............way too much of the old whiskey at work here...

Crap, I've no clue about what I'm talking about..........

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Can Somebody here list All The Lies and Deceptions Given at the Royal Commission , By all the J.W.`s who Appeared ?

by smiddy in

i am just wondering if somebody { who has been following the royal commission in australia can highlight all of the sleight of hand , deceptions , half truths , theocratic warfare tactics , misleading statements , untruths , omissions to the truth ,lying , feigned support for the victim , while not reporting her plight to the relevant authorities , etc.,etc.,} , can list these in one document , that would be a testament to anybody how culpable jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts are , in not protecting their own members , or members of the general public by not reporting such abuse to the relevant authorities ,when they had a duty to do so by law , not pertaining to mandatory reporting, but protecting the larger community .. ( i wish i wasn`t so old and had greater computer skills.).

smiddy.

umbertoecho

I've downloaded all the transcripts for further reading. Now that should be nice and revealing. Mind you. There is a collective form of amnesia in these hearings and thankfully the counsel assisting was kind enough to assist by giving the documents in hard copy complete with signatures to these men with retarded memory functions..............Good on them....the RC that is

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WARNING: SEXUAL PREDATOR ON THE LOOSE IN NEW MEXICO!

by Penelope1 in

im mad as hell!

how many times is another child molester going to get away with murder before the watchtower bible & tract society decides to do something about it?!.

a close friend who left the org.

umbertoecho

Well then........off to the police you shall go.....Don't hesitate. Worry about the religious stuff later. Get him out of the way.

I did just this, no hesitations. Really. The very next day I was at the police station filing my report, then off to the hospital....or was it the other way around...It was bad day for us.

I went into a stone cold mental place and just did it.............

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regarding Jacksons testimony.

by umbertoecho in

has anyone here re-watched that last day?

the part where justice mcclellan is asking mr jackson if he feels that this royal commission is a sincere effort to make some good changes in policy...?.

and does mr jackson feel it would be worth it to put a collective effort, along with other organizations to compensate or find means of redress, for the victims of child sexual abuse?.

umbertoecho

Just highlighted it for you Village Idiot......have a look at the whole thing if you can. It's much better than I thought when watching it on Friday.....