In the cow slaughter house, the assassin first does a loving fondling on the neck of the cow before he actually applies his knife. Similarly, GB the arrogance personified replaces words such as overseer (which carries a concept of egoistic elevation over others) with representative!!!
exWTslave
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BOE Letter: New Adjustments
by pixel in**this was predicted from some members here**.
to all congregations .
re: adjustments in organizational terminology and assembly arrangements .
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The Elders Returned, as Promised!
by exWTslave inwonderful love!.
wonderful love!.
wonderful love!.
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exWTslave
Daniel1555 was right (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/273311/1/I-am-not-going-for-JC), those two elders returned yesterday. They said Body of Elders discussed my case in their meeting on Sunday, and they have something to convey to me. After a normal nice talk, they said: “You were an elder before and Body of Elders has used you for brining many back to God’s organization; hence our reasoning is not going to work in your case.”
I interrupted: “When I stepped down from serving as an elder, I gave you a secondary reason of my busy secular schedule. Actual reason could be discerned from what you just said. I “helped many to return to JWs org, through my shepherding calls.” That means there were many others whom I could not persuade to return to JW org. Because my WT-trained reasoning worked with the gullible, but not with those who had sound reasoning power and were well-grounded in the Bible—these were the ones who actually inspired me to THINK properly!”
They said: “What you are experiencing is typical of most of servants of God. John the Baptist sent his disciples to Jesus to know whether he was really the messiah. Ultimately, his doubt was cleared. Similarly, having doubts is normal. What is not normal is keeping away from God’s appointed channel.”
I know what you mean—the supposed appointment of “a faithful and discreet slave.” (Mathew 24:45) Here too, context matters. Mathew chapter 24 is the setting which begins with the famous question of disciples: “What are the events that would precede the end of the world?” Jesus gave many events and, as a conclusion he said:
1) One is free to act like an appointed faithful and discreet overseer of a household caring for them or to become an unfaithful and indiscreet overseer, mistreating them (Mathew 24:45-51)
2) One is free to behave like the wise virgins being always prepared, or to behave like the foolish virgins leaving the preparation to the last minute (Mathew 25:1-13)
3) One is free to act like the servants who increased wealth through its diligent use; or to act like the one who “dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.” (Mathew 25:14-30)
4) One is free to care for others as Christ’s brothers and sisters or to be self-serving. (Mathew 25:31-46)
[Interestingly, in the gospels of Mark and Luke, Jesus simply concluded: You are free to be on the watch or to be self-serving! (Mark 13:34-35; Luke 21:34-36)]
Through these four wonderful pictures (a picture is worth a 1000 words), Jesus is conveying, with absolute clarity, a simple message: BE PREPARED WELL IN ADVANCE LOVING OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF, because the end (of the world or of you) may come at any time. Hence none of those picturizations suggest even remotely the appointment of God’s organization on earth, because God has a very simple approach. He has defined true religion as LOVE (James 1:27; Galatians 5:14; James 2:8-10; 1 John 4:7, 8; Mathew 7:12, 21-23) and false religion as self-serving. (Colossians 3:5; Philippians 3:19)
Prima facie, this is right, because the true religion, called LOVE, works automatically, without the help of an organization. Everyone wants to be loved—for this to happen, one has to give the love first—this is the experience of everyone on earth. “Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” (Luke 6:38) When you love, you get good returns, then you make more and more investments in love, and you get more and more returns, and become self-motivated to love more ……. On the contrary, if a person belongs to false religion (self-serving, which is not a big mistake, because a lotus cannot grow without mud), he will find transient joy which will ultimately make him seek the real joy that comes from loving. It is only a matter of time—let him take enough time, but of course without any external force! (Luke 15:11-31)
Besides, God has no need to appoint a religious organization on earth. (Mathew 16:27; Romans 14:12) His agency on earth is (the judiciary wing of) all Governments. (Romans 13:1-6) On the contrary, most religions are like that old religion that earned the name of “killer of prophets.” (Mathew 23:37) And JW org (who prohibits even greeting those who differ with them) would have been the killer of more number of prophets than any other group if they had political powers also. [Courtesy to JW.net as I picked this point from this net] (Fortunately, because of their stand on voting, JWs can never become friends with Governments of this world)
Then the elders said: “Organization is very loving when it comes to caring for its flock, and merciful towards erring ones. But rejecting God’s organization, which is the primary identifying mark of an apostate) is a question of discipline.”
I said: “My little daughter can reply to your threat of discipline (which is a synonym of disfellowshipping among JWs).” I called my 5-year-old daughter and introduced the elders to her, and asked her to sing her most favorite song to them. She sang:
“God’s Love is so wonderful, (thrice)
Oh! Wonderful love!
So high YOU CAN’T GET OVER IT, (Thrice)
Oh! Wonderful love!
So deep YOU CAN’T GET UNDER IT, (thrice)
Oh! Wonderful love!
So wide YOU CAN’T GET AROUND IT, (thrice)
Oh! Wonderful love!”Then I dismissed her, and I told the elders: “You understood what she sang. You cannot disfellowship anybody from God’s love—especially for advocating and practicing something on which, God says, “the entire law” hangs. (Galatians 5:14; Compare Mathew 21:43)
Practicing love is “God’s will” and if one does this, he has nothing to fear (1 John 2:17).
They left saying: “We would meet again.”
I said: As friends, you are always welcome to meet me. But you have no right to call me for a JC. Because you came to my door-steps when I was an unsuspecting member of my former Church, claimed you, you only, have the truth, made me a JW, rather made me a good-for-nothing person! No more wastage! You can complete all the formalities yourselves, without me!
Remember: You CANNOT starve a person who delightfully does fasting!
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No Satan
by jgnat inthat was one of the first of the prepackaged beliefs from my church that i let fall.. why?.
because i'd stared evil in the face and lived to tell about it.
i know it's textures, it's dark places, the feel, smell, perversion, degradation, corruption of it.
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exWTslave
YOU “knew he needed no external influences to be what he was.”
You are ABSOLUTELY right. This is what I always felt. I have seen people doing good/bad for the sake of goodness/badness, without needing an external factor.
You take an incurably bad person who is said to be under evil-spirit, and give him the same treatment he enjoys giving to others—he will definitely resist it with all his might. Does this not show that people choose to do whether good or bad.
I read about one Apex Court Judge, who judged against his own father on a tricky property case, which was a sort of 50-50 case. (As the only son, he was the actual beneficiary if the case had been judged in favor of his father). Even then he did not do! Then he died. Years later, Government declared an award of highest esteem to him to honor his integrity of exceptional nature. But his wife refused to accept the award saying her late husband was never after any honor while alive, he is same after his death too!
So, we see good people doing without the prodding of an external force!
So is with bad people—they do bad on their own!
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I am not going for JC!
by exWTslave inthis morning two elders visited me and said this years memorial day is on april 14, and we are informing you well in advance so that you can arrange your affairs and attend.
[i had given them the impression that i am very busy due to my secular assignments, hence most of the time out of station.].
then i thought two elders visiting me cannot have an ordinary purpose, and i should give them a piece of my mind.
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exWTslave
This morning two elders visited me and said “This year’s Memorial Day is on April 14, and we are informing you well in advance so that you can arrange your affairs and attend.” [I had given them the impression that I am very busy due to my secular assignments, hence most of the time out of station.]
Then I thought two elders visiting me cannot have an ordinary purpose, and I should give them a piece of my mind. I told them that I am seriously thinking that Christendom and JWs have no difference at all! The former is like a counterfeit currency and the latter is the photocopy of the counterfeit currency.
They asked me why I think that way!
I said: Let us take the very subject you mentioned to me now—Memorial of Jesus’s death.
Someone in the past felt Jesus died for the sins of the world and everyone quotes “life-for-life” principle from Old Testament as the basis for his sacrificial death (one innocent person should be killed on behalf of sinners).
Have you personally checked the verse WITH ITS CONTEXT?
They said: No. (I appreciated their candidness)
Context of all those verses say crime against the innocent should be dealt with death punishment, and has nothing to do with the innocent being punished! (Exodus 21:23; Leviticus 24:17 and Deuteronomy 19:21) Hence these verses can never be applied in the case of Jesus, who is innocent! (It’s like having a law that says those who refuse to pay taxes should be punished, and applying it to mean those who pay tax should be punished?! It is beyond grasping.)
Interestingly, God wants us to understand things and act, hence had Jesus declared repeatedly: “He that has ears, let him hear.” (Mathew 11:15; Mark 4:23; Luke 14:35) Therefore God will not inspire contradictory verses—one that that says those who scheme trouble for the innocent should be killed, and another verse that says the innocent should be killed on behalf of sinners! Hence I have listed Jesus’s sacrificial death with its supposed implications as one of the many teachings as belonging to the apostates, which was obviously adopted later. (Acts 20:28-29)
(This was too much for them, and they tried to gently interrupt me, but I said: Let me complete.)
This explains why Jesus, even at the time of his second coming, shows no knowledge of a forgiving mechanism connected with his death. (Mathew 16:27; Revelation 22:12) They were so knowledgeable that they quoted these verses without opening their Bible!
They said they would come back with answers in one week.
But I don’t think they would come again! But there is all the possibility for a JC Notice, as these two elders are now eye-witness to my “apostasy,” which makes unnecessary an inquiry committee that precedes a JC. But I will not go for a JC. Because the whole JW-ism is a waste built on what Jesus defined as hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is ‘looking for the speck of sawdust in others’ eyes and paying no attention to the plank in ones’ own eyes.’ (Mathew 7:3-5) Conversely, true worship means ’looking for own mistakes, correcting them and refusing to see other’s mistakes.’ According to this definition, EVEN AN ATHEIST IS ACCEPTABLE TO GOD!
Interestingly, one of the elders was of analytical mind, and seemed shaken by the “New Light.”
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How Do Cults Function, Interesting Article We Know Too Well.
by RottenRiley ini thought this artice might be a good read for our friends on jwn, do you see any of the tactics used by the watchtower?
good day!.
..... cults, wonderful on the outside but on the inside are very manipulating.
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exWTslave
Great read! Yet,
Actually mind control is there everywhere! We are living in a system where giant corporations control even the Governments and the media everywhere; are we not “straining out a gnat but swallowing a camel”?
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A Purpose
by DeWandelaar in"everything in life has a purpose" is something a lot of (religious) people tend to say.
i used to believe that too... but i have always been wandering about animals, bacteria and everthing around us.
what purpose is there?
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Christians, Christians where is the Love?
by jam inthousands of muslims left bangui in a massive convey friday that was .
jeered by crowds of christians.
one muslim who fell off a truck was.
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exWTslave
Why blame the Christians or any religion? Parents, education system, entertainment industry … all have to share the blame! Total environment is of self-serving! In such a system of things, what can we expect?
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Why a Faithful and discreet slave???
by Crazyguy inthe bible speaks of it making a man fully equipt 2tim, and that the anointing teaches one 1john, holy spirit is also available luke, john and even god will grant wisdom if one asks james.
so why the need for a faithful and discreet slave, in the bible???
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Why a Faithful and discreet slave???
by Crazyguy inthe bible speaks of it making a man fully equipt 2tim, and that the anointing teaches one 1john, holy spirit is also available luke, john and even god will grant wisdom if one asks james.
so why the need for a faithful and discreet slave, in the bible???
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Why a Faithful and discreet slave???
by Crazyguy inthe bible speaks of it making a man fully equipt 2tim, and that the anointing teaches one 1john, holy spirit is also available luke, john and even god will grant wisdom if one asks james.
so why the need for a faithful and discreet slave, in the bible???
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exWTslave
Interestingly,
Mark's gospel, which is the source for Mathew, does not make any mention of a faithful and discreet slave!!!
And Luke's slave is both faithful and wicked at the same time!!!--Luke 12:42-46