Posts by exWTslave

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Witnessing to a Theologian

by exWTslave in

when i found my fellow traveler reading theology today magazine, my pioneer spirit acted.

i started witnessing to him without knowing he was a professor of theology.

he patiently listened to me.

When I found my fellow traveler reading Theology Today magazine, my pioneer spirit acted. I started witnessing to him without knowing he was a professor of Theology. He patiently listened to me. When I concluded, he started witnessing back to me. He said his own fleshly brother is a JW hence is familiar with JWs teaching. "Now listen to me carefully. I will give you some points for thought, not for arguing.

You people base all your teachings on the Bible whereas we base all our teachings both on Bible and tradition. That’s because Bible is inadequate on many counts. It can be used to preach from the pulpit—taking a portion/story from it and making practical application for the flock. But building an organization on its prophesies or building a career on it like you and my fleshly brother (who are pioneers) is not wise. For example, apostle Paul believed the end would come in the first century. (1 Corinthians 10:11)

Now take a Gospel as sample! Luke claims “accuracy” and “logical order” in his Gospel, (Luke 1:3) yet you will wonder how ‘accurate’ and how ‘logical’ his accounts are!

1) God rated Mary as “highly favored” or trustworthy (Luke 1:28), yet she did not bother to ensure that child Jesus was with her when she left the temple. (Luke 2:43) She realized child Jesus was not with her only after “one day.” (Luke 2:44) When found him after two days of searching, she was blaming child Jesus and he was blaming the parents. (Luke 2:48)

2) God’s Spirit led Jesus “into the wilderness” to be “tempted by the devil.” (Luke 4:1, 2) This is not “in order” because God will not lead anyone into temptation. (James 1:14) Then, Satan led Jesus “up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.” (Luke 4:5) This is also not logical. Because Luke does not know that Satan is the creation of primitive human mind who did not know the shape of the earth! Here Satan unwittingly reflects the erroneous belief that earth is flat, hence he had to take Jesus into a high mountain so that both can see all the kingdoms of the earth. If Satan is real, a spirit person originally from Heaven, he should have known the true shape of earth! Satan offered all the Kingdoms of the world to Jesus in exchange for an act of worship. This too is not in order nor logical, because Jesus already knew that he has been promised “eternal kingship” by God Himself. (Luke 1:32, 33) And asking a person like Jesus to “convert stone into bread, and jump from temple top” does not befit the kind of spirit person called Satan.

3) When criticized by the Pharisees on petty matter (picking grain on Sabbath), Jesus tried to offer the counter, citing example of David whom God Himself rated as not being ideal (2 Sam 7:12, 13) Jesus’s logic was: If David can violate a law, we can also! (Luke 6:1-5) Who is unreasonable here—Pharisees or Jesus?

4) Hearing Jesus resurrected a widow’s son in Nain, the world became so excited, yet John the Baptist (Jesus’s own relative) doubts and “ask, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?” (Luke 7:11-19) What logic is it?

5) “One day Jesus said to his disciples, “Let us go over to the other side of the lake.” So they got into a boat and set out. As they sailed, he fell asleep. A squall came down on the lake, so that the boat was being swamped, and they were in great danger. The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Master, Master, we’re going to drown!” (Luke 8:22-24) That Jesus could not discern, in advance, a storm is not in order. (Storm can be discerned in advance and precisely be calculated when it will hit. http://www.eo.ucar.edu/kids/dangerwx/tstorm6.htm) Even when “the boat was being swamped” he did not get up on his own—this too is not in order as he was a perfect man with perfect sensitivity! Then he rebuked the wind and the raging waters; the storm subsided, and all was calm. In fear and amazement they asked one another, “Who is this? He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey him.” (Luke 8:26) Disciples who witnessed firsthand “the winds and the water” obeying Jesus abandoned him when he was caught by his enemies towards the end of his ministry—this too is not in order!"

He said: "We can go on and on 6) 7) 8) ......"

I responded with the usual WT conclusion. However, I knew that somewhere at the back of my mind I have started agreeing with him.

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The Demons love the Watchtower !!

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

"i was very nearly trapped beyond hope of regaining freedom, in one.

of satan's most successful devices, viz., spiritism.

i was induced.

exWTslave

Very intersting find! This shows how low one can go in trying to prove "we are God's chosen people." But in the process they unwittingly collaborate with demons.

Interestingly, the same tactics could be found in Bible too. Gospel writers presents demons as prime advocates of Jesus--when they leave their victim they usually declare to Jesus: "I know who you are, you are the son of the Most High, you have come here to destroy us even before the time ..."

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

Perry

Teaching of Grace obviously is interpolation, because the Bible is filled with verses advocating Principle of Sow and Reap. (to mention a few, Genesis 4:10-12; 9:6; Deuteronomy 24:16; 1 Kings 8:32; Job 34:11; Psalm 62:12; Isaiah 3:10-11;Jeremiah 31:29-30; Ezekiel 18:20 ; Habakkuk 2:3, 4; Mathew 16:27; Romans 14:12; 1 Peter 1:17; Revelation 2:23; 20:12; 22:12-15 .....)

Contrary to this came the teaching that ‘through one man all became sinners; through another man’s death people can seek forgiveness.’ Jesus had already pre-empted such future interpolations whose sole purpose was to get the ‘ears tickled.’ (Mathew 10:33; Mathew 16:27; Mathew 23:12; 2 Timothy 4:3). Those ancient blind teachers, as their basis, quoted: “Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.” (Exodus 21:23; Leviticus 24:17; Deuteronomy 19:21) and concluded that first Adam lost eternal life, hence last Adam should be put to death for the sinners to have eternal life—A LOGIC THAT IS NOT UNDERSTOOD BY ANYONE. Interestingly, the context of the above three verses is really counterproductive—they unanimously assert that crime against the innocent should be dealt with death punishment! How blind those interpolators must be to take those very verses as support for ransom teaching which shows: THE INNOCENT WAS PUT TO DEATH TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD!

God wants us to understand things and act, hence made Jesus declare repeatedly: “He that has ears, let him hear.” (Mathew 11:15; Mark 4:23; Luke 14:35)

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

Kaik,

That was a nice summing up. For an impartial mind, it is very easy to see the truth: Jesus did not say anything for others to interpret later. (Mathew 11:29; Luke 8:16) Hence his view of sin is eternal—“each one reaps what he sows”—not what Adam sowed.

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

Laika,

Its very simple.

When we are greedy, we never know the taste of being altruistic.

But try being altruistic at least once, it gives you a SUPERSENSUOUS joy after which you will never feel like going back to greed. Its like becoming President of a country after which you will never feel like taking up a clerical post in a village office!

So my secret is James 2:8 the royal law—and I find the returns being too wonderful, and I can’t think of going back!

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

Laika,

You are wonderful! I liked your persistence.

One chooses to sin, because he is either ignoranct about something better, or he is satisfied with what is lesser!

A fly may prefer to eat filth when a delicious banquet is available nearby!

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

designs got me right. Thank you.

That is what thinking means! Taking anything, what anybody says--even when it is apostle Paul--is swollowing.

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

djeggnog

I was giving verses in a continuing order from Luke 6:27-45. If our committing sin has anything to do with Adam’s sin, this was the best occasion for Jesus to make it clear and link it to Adam—but he did not. The theory of “one man sinned, hence all became sinners” is a later distortion. (Acts 20:28-30) Jesus very well knew that we could CHOOSE to be sinners or CHOOSE to “stop sinning” at the moment we like to do so. (John 5:14)

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

Laika,

If someone “keeps sinning” that is because he chooses to keep sinning.

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Christianity (including Jehovahs Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

by exWTslave in

christianity (including jehovahs witnesses) is the rejection of christ.

take one of the most important teachings of jesus:.

1) he says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (luke 6:27-32).

exWTslave

Christianity (including Jehovah’s Witnesses) is the rejection of Christ

Take one of the most important teachings of Jesus:

1) He says one can even love his enemies and do good to them, and can tolerate anything (Luke 6:27-32)

2) Loving others without expectation of anything in return is possible (Luke 6:32-35)

3) One can even become “perfect” in imitation of God Himself (Mathew 5:48; compare Psalm 119:102; and Job 1:8)

4) One can improve his own spirituality and refrain from judging/condemning others (Luke 6:37-42)

5) Every action (good or bad) leaves behind an imprint (good or bad) in one’s heart, which will further influence his future thought and action for good or bad. (Luke 6:43-45) It is like walking over a grass land—a path is formed as you continue to walk over it, and the path disappear when you stop walking over it.

The above points reflect Jesus’s view of sin and sainthood. Jesus in no way links sin to Adam, Eve and Satan. He clearly shows that one can CHOOSE to be a sinner or a saint.

But the Christianity (including Jehovah’s Witnesses) as we know today rejected this simple truth, and brought in the confusing theory of “one man sinned, hence all became sinners” and concealed the simple way Jesus presented as a way to holiness.