so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.
these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.
so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.
Of course their teaching contradicts scientific consensus. The very foundation of their "scientific" explanation about all these matters is blatantly ridiculous. Just read the "Deluge" lemma in Insight. The only people that believe that "the Bible and ourselves do not contradict science" are those who obtain their scientific knowledge exclusively from WT literature, namely the majority of JWs.
IMHO WT doctrines related to creation/flood are the easiest to factually be proven false.
so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.
these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.
so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.
Please don't confuse the age of the earth with the duration of the creation days. According to WT teaching the Earth was ALREADY there when the 1st creation day started. The fact is that the 7000 years duration is still a valid WT teaching. They DO believe it, although they avoid carefully mentioning the exact number, always referring to "thousands" of years.
Maybe because it would alienate people from the org knowing that they teach that there was no living organism on earth before 42000 years,
so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.
these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.
so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.
Crazyguy 10 hours ago
Blonde they dropped the 7000 year creative days back in 2013.
Fencing 43 minutes ago
They dropped the 7000 year creative day long before 2013.
How comes that? What happened at 2013 or before it?
Blonde is right, they NEVER dropped the 7k day doctrine. The last time they explicitly referred 7000 years period was in a '90 Awake. After that they've been cautious enough to mention "thousands" or "millennials" of years when talking about creation days - never EVER millions! Which means that the old teaching is alive and kicking.
the new "business plan" for jw.org in europe has already received a name within the org: european prospective 2017-2022.. this plan is already on the table of the big guys in the us.
in the practice it has been already getting the approval of the majority.
so, no surprise at all to vote it.. essential features of the "business plan":- sale of all branches in the eu, except germany and uk (the latter benefits from brexit and certain privileged position)- all printing and digital material prepared and printed from germany- in each country, a local liaison office is left, certainly no more than 3-4 families.- free part-time worker is boosted from home, cheaper and hastle-free !- money to the new entity formed in belgium, as a non-profit organization (ibsa goodbye ...)- the most complicated ... who will care for the data of european jw ... confidential information and color envelopped with sensitive information.... enjoy the new european jw times !.
What about the "core" of each Bethel, namely the Service Department and the translation team. Will they also be relocated?
read the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
It's just about a local JW legal entity. The most the state can do is to size the local KH. No problems for Bethel or other JW property in Russia.
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
Perry, from strictly logical standpoint you are missapplying the word 'Beginning'.
In your statement "Whatever begins to exist had a cause." the word 'begins' is defined as a temporal point bounding the start of existence. Our human experience confirms this statement.
One the other hand the statement "The Universe had a beginning" does not mean the same kind of temporal point of 'beginning' as in our human experience, because the time itself did not existed before/outside this Universe.
So the same word is used in both sentences, but it means two essentially different things. Hence the source of the confusion and the logical fallacy.
so, many of y'all know bits and pieces of my story of waking up, but i thought it might be nice to have it all in one place.. i was baptized at 11, auxiliary pioneered every summer, regular pioneer at 17, ministerial servant by 19, then went to bethel for a year.. i always had minor doubts from time to time, but nothing serious.
always dismissed doubts and decided to "just have faith.".
after leaving bethel, i was never really firing on all cylinders "spiritually speaking.
Thanks for sharing your story, its really encouraging to see people still paying attention to how the world is in reality and compare it to the org version of it (be it science, history, theology..). I' m intending too to share my story soon, hoping it will help others see the real face of this relgion.
p.s JWfacts is really awsome! I think if we gather all the people that get to know the REAL truth because if it every year we could easily fill an average assembly hall, or two.
joined the site, not that i have much to share.. i'm married to a jw (wife).
i never have been or will be a jw, i honestly hate the wt (not the jws).
being married to a jw, can sometimes make you crazy, i never believed any of the bs.
highline20, warm welcome!
In my opinion the best way to help your wife stop wasting her time is to help her get socialized outside of the organization. For a JW everything is about religion and co-belivers. And since it's a new country for her it may be difficult to find friends outside the congregation.
Help her find friends that she enjoys spending time with OUTSIDE the religion, may it be your relatives, neigbour co-workers or whatever. Spend more time together with normal people and stop buying cheap tricks from JWs, like free lunch.
You may also help her with her guilts about not doing enough for her religion by assuring that god understands her, that now she has a baby to take care of and all the staff :-)
Be supportive, but at the same time indiffernet when she tries to talk to you about religion.
In this forum you can find many suggestions as to how to speak properly to JWs, by asking questions, etc, to help them understand the abusive essence of their religion.
Good luck.
glory of creator is that he has given us life and life support systems to enjoy the life to the full.
yet he doesnt want any glory for that nor thanks from ushence he remains away.
that means his life (or style of functioning) is the message (making all communicationoral or written unnecessary).
exWTslave I asked those questions to help you understnad the flaws in your system. The mere act of creation by a God (even if sb accepts it as valid) does not make that God good or evil. If you stress your view on the joyful side of the life, then you may conclude that it (God) is good. But when you stress your view on the suffering of the billion of peolpe and animals you may very well call it is bad. So creation is not a moral feature.
But that is just a philosophical exercise and has nothing to do with the real world which does not require a creator and to which remaining-away entities are indifferent.
Also there were more interesting poionts in my post which remain unaddressed...
glory of creator is that he has given us life and life support systems to enjoy the life to the full.
yet he doesnt want any glory for that nor thanks from ushence he remains away.
that means his life (or style of functioning) is the message (making all communicationoral or written unnecessary).
exWTslave I think you are trying to say something, nut you must try a little bit harder for your system to have coherence, For example you say
Now you try the same life-style—make your life your message—doing good for the sake of goodness.
What if I choose to make my life my message by doing evil for the sake of evil, because that's what makes my life more meaningful and enjoyable. Wouldn't I still be godlike?
Then you say
the human mind transcends matter to some extent
well it may or it may not. Anyway quantum physics has nothing to do with that question, ok? And your "In other words" is just a way to avoid solid argument (which doesn't exist in this case).
But my favourite is
"Cognition presupposes duality"
Let me show the fallacy of this statement. If the consciousness of one's self required the seperation of the subject and the object, the same would be true about the consciousness of the consciousness of one's self (ie beeing aware of the consciousness of your own self). That type of awareness would require triality. Even worse the awareness of the consciousness of the consciousness of one's self would reqire Quadrality, and so on, till infinity.
New Age type Buddism isn't bud, but when you mess it with real sciense things start to get screwed..
