Master_Bob

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  Jehovah is unjust (outrageous article on slavery in last WT for public)

  by Master_Bob in

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  according to the last paragraph of the article entitled "escape from slavery—then and now" (wt#2, 2017).

  jehovah god felt grieved by the harsh treatment of israelite slaves in egypt; he must feel the same way about similar injustice today.. .

  if you call modern slavery "injustice", wasn't the slavery during moses time also "injustice"?

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  Master_Bob

  I agree with most of the comments. The thing that annoys me is not the screwed ethics of OT, that is well known. I'm just surprised with WT's guts to not only mention the subject, but manipulating the facts so much that Jehovah would appear compassionate and loving god. Well he's not!

  
  

  David_Jay your efforts to defend Torah's morals is pathetic. The fact that the Americans or Gentiles treated slaves worse than Jews did (some of their slaves) doesn't make the institution more just or tolerable for a perfect god who regulated even the way people dressed or shitted. Jews didn't change their interpretation of Torah because of Torah, but because the society had changed, exactly as Christians did with the Bible.

  Again by means of Torah we Jews eventually learned that slavery was wrong

  No, they learned that slavery was wrong because they started using their brain. despite of Torah.
  
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  Jehovah is unjust (outrageous article on slavery in last WT for public)

  by Master_Bob in

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  according to the last paragraph of the article entitled "escape from slavery—then and now" (wt#2, 2017).

  jehovah god felt grieved by the harsh treatment of israelite slaves in egypt; he must feel the same way about similar injustice today.. .

  if you call modern slavery "injustice", wasn't the slavery during moses time also "injustice"?

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  Master_Bob

  According to the last paragraph of the article entitled "Escape From Slavery—Then and Now" (WT#2, 2017)

  Jehovah God felt grieved by the harsh treatment of Israelite slaves in Egypt; he must feel the same way about similar injustice today.

  If you call modern slavery "injustice", wasn't the slavery during Moses time also "injustice"? And how else can you call a God sanctioning such slavery if not unjust?

  But according to Organization's crooked logic only Israelites' slavery in Egypt was unjust, as well as modern sex slavery. Sex slavery by Israelites, under Moses' Law, is not considered unjust.
  How utterly gross hypocrisy! This organisation is making me sick.
  
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  Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?

  by Crazyguy in

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  so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.

  these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.

  so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.

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  Master_Bob

  Of course their teaching contradicts scientific consensus. The very foundation of their "scientific" explanation about all these matters is blatantly ridiculous. Just read the "Deluge" lemma in Insight. The only people that believe that "the Bible and ourselves do not contradict science" are those who obtain their scientific knowledge exclusively from WT literature, namely the majority of JWs.

  IMHO WT doctrines related to creation/flood are the easiest to factually be proven false.
  
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  Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?

  by Crazyguy in

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  so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.

  these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.

  so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.

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  Master_Bob

  Please don't confuse the age of the earth with the duration of the creation days. According to WT teaching the Earth was ALREADY there when the 1st creation day started. The fact is that the 7000 years duration is still a valid WT teaching. They DO believe it, although they avoid carefully mentioning the exact number, always referring to "thousands" of years.

  Maybe because it would alienate people from the org knowing that they teach that there was no living organism on earth before 42000 years,
  
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  Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?

  by Crazyguy in

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  so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.

  these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.

  so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.

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  Crazyguy 10 hours ago

  Blonde they dropped the 7000 year creative days back in 2013.

  Fencing 43 minutes ago

  They dropped the 7000 year creative day long before 2013.

  How comes that? What happened at 2013 or before it?

  Blonde is right, they NEVER dropped the 7k day doctrine. The last time they explicitly referred 7000 years period was in a '90 Awake. After that they've been cautious enough to mention "thousands" or "millennials" of years when talking about creation days - never EVER millions! Which means that the old teaching is alive and kicking.
  
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  European Prospective 2017-2022

  by sp74bb in

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  the new "business plan" for jw.org in europe has already received a name within the org: european prospective 2017-2022.. this plan is already on the table of the big guys in the us.

  in the practice it has been already getting the approval of the majority.

  so, no surprise at all to vote it.. essential features of the "business plan":- sale of all branches in the eu, except germany and uk (the latter benefits from brexit and certain privileged position)- all printing and digital material prepared and printed from germany- in each country, a local liaison office is left, certainly no more than 3-4 families.- free part-time worker is boosted from home, cheaper and hastle-free !- money to the new entity formed in belgium, as a non-profit organization (ibsa goodbye ...)- the most complicated ... who will care for the data of european jw ... confidential information and color envelopped with sensitive information.... enjoy the new european jw times !.

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  What about the "core" of each Bethel, namely the Service Department and the translation team. Will they also be relocated?
  
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

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  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  It's just about a local JW legal entity. The most the state can do is to size the local KH. No problems for Bethel or other JW property in Russia.
  
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

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  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  Master_Bob

  Perry, from strictly logical standpoint you are missapplying the word 'Beginning'.

  In your statement "Whatever begins to exist had a cause." the word 'begins' is defined as a temporal point bounding the start of existence. Our human experience confirms this statement.

  One the other hand the statement "The Universe had a beginning" does not mean the same kind of temporal point of 'beginning' as in our human experience, because the time itself did not existed before/outside this Universe.

  So the same word is used in both sentences, but it means two essentially different things. Hence the source of the confusion and the logical fallacy.
  
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  My Story of Waking Up - in retrospect

  by cappytan in

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  so, many of y'all know bits and pieces of my story of waking up, but i thought it might be nice to have it all in one place.. i was baptized at 11, auxiliary pioneered every summer, regular pioneer at 17, ministerial servant by 19, then went to bethel for a year.. i always had minor doubts from time to time, but nothing serious.

  always dismissed doubts and decided to "just have faith.".

  after leaving bethel, i was never really firing on all cylinders "spiritually speaking.

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  Master_Bob

  Thanks for sharing your story, its really encouraging to see people still paying attention to how the world is in reality and compare it to the org version of it (be it science, history, theology..). I' m intending too to share my story soon, hoping it will help others see the real face of this relgion.

  p.s JWfacts is really awsome! I think if we gather all the people that get to know the REAL truth because if it every year we could easily fill an average assembly hall, or two.
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  Joined up, long time looking

  by highline20 in

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  joined the site, not that i have much to share.. i'm married to a jw (wife).

  i never have been or will be a jw, i honestly hate the wt (not the jws).

  being married to a jw, can sometimes make you crazy, i never believed any of the bs.

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  Master_Bob

  highline20, warm welcome!

  In my opinion the best way to help your wife stop wasting her time is to help her get socialized outside of the organization. For a JW everything is about religion and co-belivers. And since it's a new country for her it may be difficult to find friends outside the congregation.
  
  Help her find friends that she enjoys spending time with OUTSIDE the religion, may it be your relatives, neigbour co-workers or whatever. Spend more time together with normal people and stop buying cheap tricks from JWs, like free lunch.

  You may also help her with her guilts about not doing enough for her religion by assuring that god understands her, that now she has a baby to take care of and all the staff :-)
  
  Be supportive, but at the same time indiffernet when she tries to talk to you about religion.
  In this forum you can find many suggestions as to how to speak properly to JWs, by asking questions, etc, to help them understand the abusive essence of their religion.
  
  Good luck.