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  Full-time service is MORE IMPORTANT than taking care of elderly parents!!! It says so in the Sept 2014 WT

  by EndofMysteries in

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  paragraph 20 out of the article in the sept 2014 study wt about fulltime service says this.... .

  "full-time servants age, and so do their parents.

  when parents are witnesses, likely their fondest wish is for their children to stay in their assignments.

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  Clarity, regarding the point that you brought up about "letting the dead bury the dead" -

  One explanation of this account is that the man was lying and giving excuses. If the man's father had indeed died at that time, he would have been with his family instead of being with Jesus! The man's father had likely died much earlier and was already buried! Jesus could well have been exposing the man's hypocrisy when he said "Let the dead bury their dead," indicating that he KNEW the man's father was already dead & buried!

  If one wants to find counsel on caring for elderly parents, they should look no further than 1 Tim 5: 8
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  Theory on the real reason WT wants youth to put service ahead of caring for elderly family....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  the generation of the 'creators promise' that wouldn't die until the new world is now becoming elderly, they are broke, hadn't saved for retirement, and need help.. there hasn't been real growth, the growth is mostly born ins and born ins children (population growth), those who didn't listen to the advice to not have kids.. suddenly, the overlapping 2nd generation started slacking on their field service to take care of their parents.

  the gb were insulted that the numbers were dropping and noticing that soon nobody would be going door to door because all who can would be taking care of their broke, elderly parents who couldn't afford retirement or proper care.. the gb though know that they are higher than god and jesus and they should not be expected to not have all the luxuries of life, first class flights, etc, so they issue new orders that the younger ones are not to put aside their peddling of their literature to care for the elderly parents.

  the eldery were too presumptuous and looked too deep into things.

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  Some may quote Matt 8 to excuse themselves from caring for their parents...

  Matt 8:21, 22 - Then another of the disciples said to him: "Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father." Jesus said to him: "Keep following me, and let the dead bury their dead."

  HOWEVER...

  One explanation of this account is that the man was lying and giving excuses. If the man's father had indeed died at that time, he would have been with his family instead of being with Jesus! The man's father had likely died much earlier and was already buried! Jesus could well have been exposing the man's hypocrisy when he said "Let the dead bury their dead," indicating that he KNEW the man's father was already dead & buried!

  Now lets see what example Jesus set in the following account:

  Mark 1:30, 31 - Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying down sick with a fever, and they at once told him about her. Going to her, he took her by the hand and raised her up.

  Notice that Jesus here set a fine example on the importance of caring for family members. The person involved was not Peter's OWN mother, but his mother-in-law. Yet, her needs were cared for

  Likewise, IF modern day Christians DO NOT care for the needs of their aging parents or in-laws, then the scripture in 1 Tim 5:8 would apply fully to them
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  Theory on the real reason WT wants youth to put service ahead of caring for elderly family....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the generation of the 'creators promise' that wouldn't die until the new world is now becoming elderly, they are broke, hadn't saved for retirement, and need help.. there hasn't been real growth, the growth is mostly born ins and born ins children (population growth), those who didn't listen to the advice to not have kids.. suddenly, the overlapping 2nd generation started slacking on their field service to take care of their parents.

  the gb were insulted that the numbers were dropping and noticing that soon nobody would be going door to door because all who can would be taking care of their broke, elderly parents who couldn't afford retirement or proper care.. the gb though know that they are higher than god and jesus and they should not be expected to not have all the luxuries of life, first class flights, etc, so they issue new orders that the younger ones are not to put aside their peddling of their literature to care for the elderly parents.

  the eldery were too presumptuous and looked too deep into things.

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  Well, the scriptures make it very clear concerning the need to care for ones parents:

  1 Tim 5:8 - "CERTAINLY if anyone DOES NOT PROVIDE for those who are his own and especially for those who are MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD, he has DISOWNED THE FAITH and is WORSE THAN A PERSON WITHOUT FAITH"

  Matt 15:5, 6- "But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother: Whatever I have that could benefit you is a gift dedicated to God," he need not honor his father at all.' So you have MADE THE WORD OF GOD INVALID..."

  And Jesus went on to say in verse 9:

  9-It is IN VAIN that they keep worshipping me...
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  What is this latest letter from the GB about?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  we have been told this week that all in the elder and ms body will be read a letter from the gb about "make this the greatest month of activity ever"..... has anyone else had such a letter read out in their cong / servant body?.

  i presume it will be all about "recommending strongly/insisting" that all these men should pioneer for the month?.

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  I'm not sure myself, but just guessing.....

  Most likely, the letter would place strong emphasis on getting all elders & MSs to "set examples for the rest of the flock by having a full share"

  "Having a full share" would almost certainly mean to pioneer

  In other words, if they have NO GOOD REASON NOT TOO, then they MUST pioneer
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  Roll call of those of us stuck in for our spouse or whos spouse is still in!

  by BU2B in

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  i just wanted to get a feel for how many here have awakened to ttatt but are still carrying on some jw activities to pacify them and keep the peace.

  also trying to hear from those who have left, but whose spouse has stayed in the wt and in the marriage.. for me it comes down to my own mental anguish.

  i am mentally tortured by attending the meetings, yet i feel compelled to because my wife would kill me with her personality if i had her drag 2 small girls by herself there.

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  Oops.. make that 11 now...
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  Roll call of those of us stuck in for our spouse or whos spouse is still in!

  by BU2B in

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  i just wanted to get a feel for how many here have awakened to ttatt but are still carrying on some jw activities to pacify them and keep the peace.

  also trying to hear from those who have left, but whose spouse has stayed in the wt and in the marriage.. for me it comes down to my own mental anguish.

  i am mentally tortured by attending the meetings, yet i feel compelled to because my wife would kill me with her personality if i had her drag 2 small girls by herself there.

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  This thread doesn't affect me personally. However, it's funny to see 10 guys posting here whose WIVES are still in and no ladies complaining about husbands still in!
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  How Accurate Is JWN In Your Opinion?

  by minimus in

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  would you say this board gives accurate information, overall?

  if someone started reading the comments here, do you think they would find this discussion board as accurate?.

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  Your hubby sounds like an interesting person =)
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  What a huge difference this year.

  by quellycatface in

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  last summer was pretty crap for me.

  lots of "social" things going on in the congregation but i wasn't invited.

  you know what i mean, hey??.

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  Billy, don't think invitations & thank you cards are a problem, if the handing out is done discreetly. On the other hand, business & money matters even if conducted discreetly are discouraged, in line with John 2: 16
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  How Accurate Is JWN In Your Opinion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  would you say this board gives accurate information, overall?

  if someone started reading the comments here, do you think they would find this discussion board as accurate?.

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  Jgnat, why does your husband have to fake it? Just wondering...
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  A few bad apples hey?

  by sparrowdown in

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  a witness couple just called on me.

  they know i have'nt been to the hall for a few months but have no idea that i am "off reservation" in more ways than one.. they called by to tell me they that due to the "unloving spirit" in our.

  congregation they will be going to another hall from now on.. the husband has been having ongoing "issues" with the cobe for some time ( iow,he hates his guts).. they feel that if they move to another cong where the people are nicer everything will be ok. (yeah, right).

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  I have done this myself, but not to the extent of changing congs. Left a field service group which had rigid & overbearing elders for one which had a much more pleasant atmosphere