I've learned more in the past 8 years of fading than I did in over 30 as a dutiful JW.
And I've learned more in the past 1 yr+ of fading than I did in over 20 as a born-in JW
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What actually DID you learn?
by punkofnice inmy jw friends that still speak to me, tell me that they love the meetings because of the things they learn.. i wonder what they think they're learning?
it an avenue that always perplexes me because their replies are just so wishy washy or i get a blank stare when i ask.. what's you r experience?.
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What actually DID you learn?
by punkofnice inmy jw friends that still speak to me, tell me that they love the meetings because of the things they learn.. i wonder what they think they're learning?
it an avenue that always perplexes me because their replies are just so wishy washy or i get a blank stare when i ask.. what's you r experience?.
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Err... I learned that it wasn't the truth?
Obviously...
Let's see... what else...
You know what? Most of the things that I learned are irrelevant in my daily life. After all those years of growing up in the truth, I can't even answer this simple question! There is nothing profound that I have learned that has actually helped me in life. It's all to do with pleasing an organization & putting on appearances!
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EXTREME HYPOCRISY in this Sunday's study article!!!
by Divergent inwow, what a disturbing study article this was!
this was by far the most difficult study that i ever had to sit through.
just take a look at what the article has to say about how blood should be viewed according to our conscience:.
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Jehovah's witnesses are the fastest growing religion.
by hoser inthat is what the speaker said in his public talk this morning.
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The "fastest growing religion" for decades, but with only 8 million+ members???
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3 words to describe.....
by punkofnice in..your experience with the watchtower corporation:.
i'll start...... bully boy elders.
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Blondie's Comments on the 11-8-2015 WT Study
by blondie inblondies highlights from the 11-08-2015 wt study (july 15, 2015).
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
paragraph 11-15 recreation.
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Have you noticed that 5 or more times the WTS does gives examples of individual jws (first name only)?
Hey, it's better than what they used to do. Remember when they used fake names with an asterisk besides & with a statement below saying: "*This person's name has been changed"?
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Acronyms
by Distracted inreading through a lot of the forum posts and wondered what tatt stands for (?).
any more acronyms that are special to this site?
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EXTREME HYPOCRISY in this Sunday's study article!!!
by Divergent inwow, what a disturbing study article this was!
this was by far the most difficult study that i ever had to sit through.
just take a look at what the article has to say about how blood should be viewed according to our conscience:.
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Yes, Searcher... they did actually say that
HOWEVER, they backtracked on this a few years later!
The Watchtower of Feb. 15, 1963 (p. 124) told JWs that they could not receive anything derived from blood in medical treatment:
"It is not just blood, but anything that is derived from blood and used to sustain life or strengthen one that comes under this principle."
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EXTREME HYPOCRISY in this Sunday's study article!!!
by Divergent inwow, what a disturbing study article this was!
this was by far the most difficult study that i ever had to sit through.
just take a look at what the article has to say about how blood should be viewed according to our conscience:.
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I don't know that they had fractions earlier than 2000, did they?
Yes, they did. Fractions have been available for a long time before then
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EXTREME HYPOCRISY in this Sunday's study article!!!
by Divergent inwow, what a disturbing study article this was!
this was by far the most difficult study that i ever had to sit through.
just take a look at what the article has to say about how blood should be viewed according to our conscience:.
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Wow, what a disturbing study article this was! This was by far the most difficult study that I ever had to sit through. Just take a look at what the article has to say about how blood should be viewed according to our conscience:
6 The Bible encourages us to avoid harmful practices and to be moderate in habits, such as in eating and drinking. (Prov. 23:20; 2 Cor. 7:1) As we apply Bible principles, we will be safeguarding our health to a degree, even if advancing age and infirmity may still affect us. In some lands, both conventional medicine and a range of alternative therapies are available. Branch offices regularly receive letters from brothers and sisters who are considering one form of treatment or another. Many ask, “Can a servant of Jehovah accept such treatment?”
The article clearly states that blood fractions are a personal decision. HOWEVER, what was the stand on this issue PRIOR to the year 2000? We all know that taking in blood fractions was only allowed to be a conscience issue since the June 15, 2000 issue of the WT was published! It was never an option prior to that!!!
7 Neither a branch office nor the local congregation elders are authorized to make health-care decisions for a Witness, even if he asks what to do. (Gal. 6:5) They can, of course, call attention to what Jehovah has said that may have a bearing on the decision. For example, a Christian needs to remember the Biblical command “to keep abstaining from. . . blood.” (Acts 15:29) That would clearly rule out medical treatments that involve taking in whole blood or any of its four major components. This knowledge could even influence a Christian’s conscience when he makes a personal decision regarding minor fractions derived from one of those four components. But what other Bible advice can guide us when we are contemplating medical treatment?9 A Christian who is reasonable does not impose his views on others.
Questions: Didn't the organization IMPOSE its views on others on the issue of blood fractions prior to the year 2000? Isn't the organization continuing to IMPOSE its views on others even today regarding blood transfusions???
10 If we cannot understand the conscientious decision of a fellow believer on some personal matter, we should not quickly judge him or feel that we ought to pressure him to change his mind. Perhaps his conscience is still “weak” and in need of more training or is too sensitive on certain issues. (1 Cor. 8:11, 12) On the other hand, it may be that we need to examine our own conscience, which may need further training in line with divine principles. On matters like health care, each of us should be willing to make a personal decision and accept the responsibility that comes with it.
So on matters like health care, we should not be quick to judge others. It could be our own conscience that needs fine tuning. Therefore, it should be a personal decision. Agreed!
Questions: If each of us should make a personal decision on health care, shouldn't this apply to blood transfusions as well? Why are there unwanted consequences (judicial committees, disfellowshipping, shunning, etc.) forced upon us by the organization if we follow our conscience when it comes to health care & medical decisions? When it comes to Christians whose consciences permit them to take blood transfusions, is their personal decision respected OR judged? Is it not the stand at this very moment that unloving action is taken upon JW's whose consciences permit them to take blood transfusions as it is said that they have voluntarily disassociated themselves by means of their actions???