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  "Don't think too much...."

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a couple of middle aged jw sisters dropped round unannounced the other day, they were only being kind i suppose, after some awkward silences i voiced a couple of my issues with the religion, (the safe ones), sort of an explanation as to why i'm no longer attending, namely: everyone else will die, lack of support for young ones, mistreatment/judgementalism by prominent ones who get away with it because 'they're imperfect and we have to wait on jehovah' etc.

  well, after sympathizing and telling me horror stories about awful elders and their own kids' issues in the past (how some left the truth, had bitter divorces from fellow witnesses etc) they then begged me to 'come back to jehovah', 'he misses me' apparently.

  finally, the more pushy one summed it up with 'you're thinking too much, it's not good for you', 'some issues you just have to put in a drawer and forget about....'.. hmm nice reasoning sisters, theocratic school training at its finest!

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  My response would be: "That's ironic... coming from a person who's not thinking at all!"

  Some might feel that this is too harsh though...
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  HAPPY THANKSGIVING ERRRRRRRRRR BODY.!!!

  by brandnew in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wanna say.....im thankfull for y'all....n stuff

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  Happy thanksgiving! (raises paw & gives puppy a high five)
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  Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation

  by kaik in

  1. social
  2. family

  my mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.

  so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.

  nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.

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  Welcome to the board, Irish Dame! The lack of love is one of the factors which made me wake up too. Everything is superficial & conditional. I have drastically faded myself & in the midst of doing so, found that those who I thought were my true friends were actually not!
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  Is the JW Broadcasting having good results for the Org?

  by thewalker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when speaking with brothers, i can see they really like the jw.org site more than magazines and books.

  i can imagine them publishing more and more articles and news as it's more dynamic and creates a sense of alert with brothers looking for new articles to read instead of the boring monthly magazines.. but when it comes to the jw broadcasting, it's something different.

  even elders admit they aren't watching the monthly broadcastings.

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  Nicolaou... misclick, perhaps? Did that unintentionally a couple of times while on a smartphone

  JW Broadcasting? I think it's great! Everytime something crazy is aired or a GB member says something stupid, it would get people thinking. The overlapping generations teaching is something which stumbled many, hence the org sees the need to explain it repeatedly. Problem is - the more they attempt to do so, the more people would see that it makes no sense! Great job indeed!
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  Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation

  by kaik in

  1. social
  2. family

  my mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.

  so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.

  nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.

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  Lovesjehovah, if you are appalled at the audacity of this elder, you haven't seen anything yet. For example, google Jehovah's Witness together with elder & sex abuse and you would be even more appalled. Also, search for information on the Australian Royal Commission & Jehovah's Witnesses. If you really love Jehovah as I do, you would be ashamed to be in this organization!
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  Churches helping neighbors instead of JW"s

  by life is to short in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last week where i live we had the worst wind storm in the history of our area.

  we had gust of 71 miles an hour from 3 in the afternoon till 8 at night.

  it was like a hurricane at times the wind did sound like a freight train.

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  Bangalore:

  *** w51 11/1 pp. 643-644 Charity in Christendom ***
  A train derails and crashes into the headlines. Or perhaps a factory explosion covers the front page. On such occasions or when flood, fire, earthquake or windstorm make many homeless and rob others of life or limb, as surely as the press is there to report it, so will other familiar figures turn up. The community chest will be there, the Red Cross with its blood bank will be there, priests fully outfitted with pious face and last rites will be there and politicians will rush back from a Florida vacation so that they can be there—all to offer charitable help.

  
  

  But let the disaster be on a smaller scale where the returns in publicity are not so promising; then the widely acclaimed charitable organizations do not flock to the scene. It is clear that they choose the publicized tragedies, that their giving may be publicized along with the event. The motive of attention and credit perches plainly on their every “good deed”. Contributors to the community chest receive a red feather; to the Red Cross, a button; to disabled war veterans, a poppy. A religious cardinal is considered a particularly appropriate individual to open a charity drive. He is photographed performing his contribution act, then his benign generosity is re-echoed from coast to coast through the newspapers reporting it. Sometimes it seems as if such figures scheme to see how little they can give and yet receive the maximum credit, praise and attention. Finally, after all of the shouting is over, greedy charity racketeers move in to scoop up the lion’s share, leaving only scraps for the supposed objects of the “charity”.

  It's ironic that the WT does not offer any physical help at all, yet criticizes those who do!

  Jesus advocated using one’s substance for preaching the good news of God’s kingdom. (Matt. 19:21, NW) He specifically prohibited advertising his acts of mercy in curing the sick when the only return would mean self-credit to him personally. (Luke 5:12-14; 8:49-56) On one occasion the apostles Peter and John caused a lame man to walk rather than heed his request for money, which they explained they did not have for that purpose.—Acts 3:1-8.

  They completely miss the point that Jesus & the apostles offered practical help - curing the sick, healing the lame, etc. What practical help do JW's offer to those in their community? The "preaching work" does not count as it is neither practical nor helpful. In times of crisis, people need immediate physical help, not delayed help that is supposed to come at an unknown time! Telling people that God would destroy 99.99% of the world's population to solve mankind's problems & that the only way to be saved is to become a JW but even then salvation is not guaranteed - that is supposed to be good news??? What a depressing message!
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  Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation

  by kaik in

  1. social
  2. family

  my mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.

  so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.

  nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.

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  Seems like donations have dried up, thus the harassment for funds. I take it as a good sign that people ARE waking up & not donating, hence the KH is in need of money. Conclusion: God is not blessing their work... if he really was then they wouldn't be begging for money!
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  Dont Give Them More Power Than They Deserve

  by Tech49 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a new montra that was recently adopted by the wife and i is this:.

  dont give them more power than they deserve.. here's why i say that, and i point this to those of you still in the congregation, still trying to decide what you want to do.. recently, our family had a little family reunion gathering of sorts, and we were in the company of some extended family that were either df or da, to varying degrees.

  we made it very clear, to any and all in attendance, that we wanted to be respectful and kind, despite any previous perceptions about our "status".... and that our feelings on a lot of things had "softened", and "changed" over the last 2 years.. i am being purposefully slightly vague, but i think you get the point.

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  The lamb was subsequently slaughtered & the shepherd had lamb stew for dinner!
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-22-2015 WT Study (God Loves us?)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondies highlights from the 11-22-2015 wt study (september 15, 2015) (jehovah love us).

  excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

  bible translations www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible .

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  Paragraph 2 of the study:

  2 To some, though, God’s love for people is a foreign concept. To them, God is to be feared and obeyed. Or perhaps because of certain entrenched erroneous teachings, they feel that God is unloving, even unlovable. On the other hand, there are those who believe that God’s love is unconditional and that he loves them regardless of what they do or fail to do.

  
  
  Questions: The WT itself teaches that God is to be feared & obeyed, so does that mean they are saying that they themselves are wrong? What if the entrenched & erroneous teachings come from the Bible itself or from the WT? If God's love is unconditional & he loves people regardless of what they do or fail to do, then why should we be JW's in the first place??? If God loves us regardless of what we fail to do, then why are JW's made to feel guilty & that they would be destroyed at Armageddon if they miss meetings, field service, family worship, personal study, & prayer?
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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for sex assaults on schoolgirl

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is becoming more common.

  this is from the last part of the article: .

  "this was about sexual gratification and you are a hypocrite because you became an elder and you investigated a sexual matter even with this in your sexual background.".

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  Child abuse was one of the the "inconvenient truths" which led me to wake up. Another fact which I had an issue with was that I, a kind & helpful brother in good standing & reaching out, could not make it to be appointed as an elder, BUT scumbags like these could be appointed??? It's as good as saying that I'm worse than a pedophile! Goodbye WT... you had me, you pulled me down instead of raising me up, you pissed me off, & now you've lost me. For good