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  Quite Possibly The Most Sinister Speaker Ever?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi guys.. "brother" jose is quite possibly the most sinister speaker i've ever seen or heard.

  and i've seen/head a lot of cults in my time.. he's over the top with his voice tone and gestures.

  i see a future governing body member in the making here:.

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  JW's claim that they do not have any titles and that titles are not important to them

  Well, what the hell was that introduction about then? ? ?
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  You know it's time to give up the JW religion when your route call tells you to

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lasting memory of the latter period of time in the organisation:.

  i had a route call with the magazines whom i'd called on for a number of years.

  eventually when i become a parent i became consumed with negativity, doubt (blood issue) & depression.

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  Hey man, I was in the same situation as you! I only wish someone had said to me what this lady told you. . . I did eventually figure things out myself, but I could have woken up much earlier!

  If you haven't done so already, go back to this lady & thank her if possible. It's people like her who make a big difference in the lives of others because they took the initiative to say or do something instead of not caring!
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  Why I DON'T Fear The Future - A Conversation With My JW Mum

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  3 questions i hit my jw mum with:.

  first question: do you believe that god is love?

  third question: do you think a god of love would choose to destroy me for not doing something i cannot do (be a jw) because i am not convinced rather than convince me beyond doubt?

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  Alostpuppydog:

  His response: of course it makes perfect sense! Satan wants to mislead you away from the organization.

  My response: Is Satan more powerful than God?

  Expected reply: Definitely not!

  My response: Well, if Satan can mislead me AFTER I specifically prayed to God asking him to convince me BEYOND DOUBT if JW's have the truth, then I can come to either one of two conclusions: 1. Satan is more powerful than God, OR 2. JW's are not the true religion and do not have God's backing, this is why God is NOT convincing me beyond doubt that JW's have the truth!

  Which of the above makes more sense to you?
  
  
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  I Found Something Better Than "The Truth"!

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i often come across jw's using the "worldwide brotherhood" as one of the reasons to justify that jw's have "the truth.

  " such a brotherhood, they claim, would not exist outside the organisation because there is no way that people of different religions, nationalities, races, cultures, backgrounds, languages etc.

  can be united and associate together freely without "the truth!".

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  Anders Andersen:

  Huh, just last week I stumbled upon a 2012 newspaper item about a (then) 29 year old ex JW who enjoyed couch surfing very much (too).

  Was that you by any chance?

  No, it's not. I'm younger
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  Why I DON'T Fear The Future - A Conversation With My JW Mum

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  3 questions i hit my jw mum with:.

  first question: do you believe that god is love?

  third question: do you think a god of love would choose to destroy me for not doing something i cannot do (be a jw) because i am not convinced rather than convince me beyond doubt?

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  She told me if this is how I feel then I should keep praying about it until I'm convinced
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  Why I DON'T Fear The Future - A Conversation With My JW Mum

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  3 questions i hit my jw mum with:.

  first question: do you believe that god is love?

  third question: do you think a god of love would choose to destroy me for not doing something i cannot do (be a jw) because i am not convinced rather than convince me beyond doubt?

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  3 questions I hit my JW mum with:

  First question: Do you believe that God is love?

  Her answer: Yes, definitely!

  Second question: Do you believe that a God of love would punish someone for not doing something that they CANNOT do?

  Her answer: No, of course not!

  Third question: Do you think a God of love would choose to destroy me for not doing something I cannot do (be a JW) because I am not convinced RATHER than convince me beyond doubt?

  Her answer: You don't want to be convinced

  Me: There is NO SUCH THING as me not wanting to be convinced as I already prayed to God that he should convince me BEYOND DOUBT if he requires me to follow a certain religion. God knows EXACTLY what it takes to convince me, doesn't he? So I don't have anything to fear as it is entirely up to God now and if he chooses not to convince me, then he has no right to destroy me. He is a God of love anyway, so why would he choose to destroy me RATHER than convince me beyond doubt which was exactly what I asked him to do in the first place? ? ?

  
  
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  I Found Something Better Than "The Truth"!

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i often come across jw's using the "worldwide brotherhood" as one of the reasons to justify that jw's have "the truth.

  " such a brotherhood, they claim, would not exist outside the organisation because there is no way that people of different religions, nationalities, races, cultures, backgrounds, languages etc.

  can be united and associate together freely without "the truth!".

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  I often come across JW's using the "worldwide brotherhood" as one of the reasons to justify that JW's have "the truth." Such a brotherhood, they claim, would NOT exist outside the organisation because there is NO WAY that people of different religions, nationalities, races, cultures, backgrounds, languages etc. can be united and associate together freely without "the truth!"

  Well, JW's are WRONG because there are many other organisations / communities that are able to achieve this in a much better way than they can ever do!

  When I faded as a young adult after wasting a large part of my youth as a born-in JW, I set out to find a community of like-minded people who share the same interests as me. I then discovered Couchsurfing and became a member of this cool international travel community!

  As a Couchsurfing member, I have hosted and stayed with people all around the world - total stangers at first - but we became friends instantly! I have now gained countless friends - more than I ever had as a JW! I now enjoy travelling and fun get-togethers + activities with people I like and can relate to instead of the boring meetings and pointless field service with people I wouldn't normally be friends with. I have now been to many new places, grown in my understanding of people and the world, gained many priceless experiences and unforgettable memories, plus my outlook and perspective on life has changed for the better

  As a JW, I did assist brothers and sisters, but most of the time I did it out of a sense of duty RATHER than because I really wanted to. I did things out of obligation because I was expected to do those things. Furthermore, as a brother who was "reaching out", I often didn't have the option to say no when the elders dump something that they didn't want to do on you. However, I am now rendering assistance to others in a meaningful way without any compulsion or ulterior motive because I really want to, because I believe in the spirit of humanity, and because it gives me joy and satisfaction

  So yes, I lost a "worldwide brotherhood" but gained another which is far more superior - one that is not dominated by fear, obligation, and guilt. And guess what - they have more members than JW's!

  A related article -

  http://jwsurvey.org/support/the-unexpected-kindness-of-the-world (I did not write this but share the same sentiments as the author)

  I now live life to the full, not according to the dictates of a man-made religion. The world is full of love and kindness, but JW's WANT you to believe otherwise!
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  "It's a cult, mom."

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my mom has been extensively texting me, trying to argue that the un ngo scandal is not a big deal and that the child abuse scandal is to instigate the great tribulation.

  even worse, she kept saying how great it is that the gb is imperfect and fallible and that teaching changes all the time.

  maybe it was aggravation or impatience, but i finally just snapped and told her, "it's a cult, mom.".

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  She said that millions of people subscribe to this cult

  
  

  Well, BILLIONS of people DON'T! ! !
  
  
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  Why are JWs so sensitive to criticism?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember a roman catholic priest acknowledging on the bbc that the outrageously anti-clerical tv comedy father ted was a humorous mocking of his church but an acceptable thing.. try mocking the jw religion to a believer and the result is so very different.. just why is it that jehovah's witnesses can never take even the faintest hint of criticism of their religion?.

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  Onager:

  I mean Samson? 300 foxes? Really? Live foxes??

  I live in a heavily fox populated part of the world but unless there was some kind of fox shop nearby there is no way in Hades that I could get hold of 300 live foxes.

  Samson invented Firefox!
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  Let's Be Honest - You or One of Your Ancestors Was an Idiot

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why were we ever a jw?

  were we mad?

  we must have been .... well, my excuse is that i knew nothing else.

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  Simon:

  Are you an idiot or the offspring of past idiots?

  I hate to call my parents idiots, but unfortunately they are brainwashed to such an extent that I have no choice but to agree with the statement above