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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  Any "power" JW elders have is only a percieved power.

  The elders manual is not a legitimate law book.

  The GB is not a legitimate agency with any legitimate power to do anything.
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  "If you are teaching intolerance, we WILL shut you down!" English Prime Minister David Cameron

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. social
  2. current

  the prime minister of england made the above statement yesterday regarding any schools that influence youths in a negative manner.. he went on to say that if youths are influenced in a negative manner regarding religious teachings that promote judgement of others (including same sex relationships, etc ) or that look down on other peoples free choice, the government would take action.. i cant find a newspaper article sorry...i just heard it on the radio news.... very interesting though...it may have a bearing on how those who learn ttatt are treated by the organization??

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  @Vidiot - you know "word salad" is a symptom of brain disease.....huh, that explains a lot about your posts.

  ( bazinger! only joking)
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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  I am only referring to the personal right of individuals to decide for themselves who they do or don't talk to.

  Not the responsibility of religions to care for their members. That's a whole other debate.

  At the end of the day Simon is right. Each indivudual has a right to choose who they are friends with.

  But don't get me wrong, religious leaders DO NOT have the right to decide that for individuals.

  Enforced shunning is wrong !!!
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

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  You ask "who has the authority to say what is a cult and what a religion"

  Those who have qualifications and study cults would have the authority.

  This is not a mystery subject, there are criteria for "what is a cult."

  Better question: Who would NOT have the authority?

  The bloody WT that's who.
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  What’s the deal with all the Smart-Educated JWs?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we talk a lot about most jws being uneducated, uninformed, and that they lack critical thinking skills, but in my area there is a lot of jws that went to the university, medical school, law school, and came back to the organization.

  in my circuit, that i know of, we had two electrical engineers, one computer engineer with a ph.d. eight teachers with a bachelors degree and three of those with a masters in education.

  we had two medical doctors, one was a pediatrician who closed his business about 3 years ago and went to bethel.

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  Indoctrination and cult recruitment has nothing to do with IQ or education.

  Stephen Hassan was recruited by the Moonies at University if I remember correctly.
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  What other Shenanigans can we expect to see in the next 2 years?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its been a little over 2 years since i left the watchtower.

  in that time the magazines have been cut, the birth of jwtv, jw-org.

  carts for preaching, removed district overseers, cut assemblies, demand all the money from the congregations, stop construction and layoff bethelites, change the format of the tmschool .

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  @Dunedain- " They have no clue what they are doing."

  I think they know exactly what they are doing. Their WT universe has come about by design , not accident.
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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  Of course the right to withdraw from social contact from whomever you choose is a personal right unless you are legally/morally/ethically responsible for that person, as in the case of underage children and a spouse.

  But the point is, it should be an individual decision to do that NOT mandated by a religion that YOU MUST SHUN any and all who no longer wish to remain in your religion including your family, otherwise YOU will be "shunned" yourself.
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  How About Phony Cart Work At Frequent Cart Spots?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for a prank perhaps somebody found a cart spot (busy one), and they set up a phony carts site and do things that will sure to get people to complain to the cart people when they take the spot again?

  i'm bored sorta and the idea just pop up and i thought about sending into internet hyperspace.

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  If one is known to be an apostate by the local cong that uses the spot, then all you would have to do is sit or stand there. An apostate standing quietly in the vicinity would be enough to make most JWs uncomfortable enough to pack up their "little cart that couldn't."
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  Warwick news

  by Rattigan350 in

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  2. scandals

  http://www.warwickadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20151001/news01/151009998/warwick-seeks-amendment-to-town-code.

  supervisor michael sweeton also sought a resolution to reduce the performance bond from pledged collateral account control agreement with the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. from $22.6 million to $7.3 million and to authorize the release the difference to the organization.the watchtower bible and tract society jehovahs witnesses world headquarters is advancing in its new construction.

  the 45-acre development site on the tuxedo-warwick border, in sterling forest, is set to be completed by the end of 2016.the motion passed..

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  I almost feel sorry for the GB.

  Standing there at the half completed heli-rapture-pad at Warwick with their little carry-ons packed waiting for the midnight plane to heaven that just never comes.
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  What other Shenanigans can we expect to see in the next 2 years?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its been a little over 2 years since i left the watchtower.

  in that time the magazines have been cut, the birth of jwtv, jw-org.

  carts for preaching, removed district overseers, cut assemblies, demand all the money from the congregations, stop construction and layoff bethelites, change the format of the tmschool .

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  The elders will become nothing more than glorified ushers at the GB shows each week.