we have all heard about ones who have left and became seriously opposed.
did they have any success in getting anyone out like thier families or is going full appostate a waste of time when it comes to rescuing family and friend's?
I never met a truly angry apostate, only some that were very much in pain and it did cause me to wonder why, how and what happened to them.
It also caused me to inwardly acknowledge that the congregation could be a very cold place.
So in that sense, all these little incidents, with a variety of people, contributed (I feel) to me waking up.
special pioneers let go.
bethel workers laid off.
construction halts, what's next?
Borg bankruptcy?
I would do a happy-ding dong the witch is dead dance.
who won, and why?.
the rebel..
IMO what happens on forums usually isn't a fair debate so I try not to take them too seriously.
If on the other hand, bullying somone into not posting, or pushing someones buttons on a hot-button issue is "winning" a forum debate then there are so many threads, not enough time to pick a favorite.
a vomit inducing comment.. i asked why do they have to specify 'meetings'?
they never miss us in tesco or the showcase cinema bar.. in their defence, a friend of mine said: 'that's because the meeting is where they normally would see you.'.
well, if they want to see you they can arrange a meal out or something.
I am sooo sick of being told by ones I run into "we miss your comments at the meeing."
Oh you do, cause I haven't moved, we can grab a cup of coffee if you would like to catch up....what's that...your too busy ...oh ok bye now....😊
continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.
so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.
if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.
Imagine if individual JWs just started saying no.
No to shunning.
No to prying questions.
No to dragging their families to RCs
No to dishonest recruiting methods.
Yes to whole blood if needed.
Yes to immediate reporting of child abuse.
Yes to self expression.
Yes to researching this religion and the bible.
You have the power, it's called free will.
"...when our own thoughts are forbidden, when our questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished; when contacts & friendships outside of the organisation are censored, we are being abused for an end that never justifies its means.
when our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger.
when we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult.
Fantastic quote.
These people, at the end had no choice. Armed guards and jungle kept them there with this lunatic.
There are no armed guards at the KHs.
The most they can do to you if you stop going is not talk to you - once I accepted that that was a price worth paying, I stopped going.
Jim Jones wasn't bluffing JWs are, the elders have no real power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bhhs5lhr00.
words.....just cant find the words......
jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
Why don't the GB pawn their pinky rings and watches before resorting to guilting kids into donating ice cream money?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bhhs5lhr00.
words.....just cant find the words......
I love the way this guy equates saying no to his offer of "learning the bible for the rest of your life" to being rude.
That's special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joehewofiba.
is this supposed to placate the ones who have been recently fired?
is this a sign of the aging jw leadership?
