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  WT is a human rights violator according to the definition of state.gov and USA law - time for us to start putting pressure in lawmakers!

  by EndofMysteries in

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  religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper.

  quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change ones faith.........people cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (ask yourself if the wt article i'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.

  so with that being said.....is the wt protecting religious freedom?

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  sparrowdown

  True, hybridous, there is always that great persuader- filthy luca.

  We need the biggest, baddest, richest lobby group in the land.

  Hmm, I think that group is busy.
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  How to handle invites to dinner after Sunday meeting?

  by FadeToBlack in

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  i have not been to a meeting for over a year.

  yesterday, when my wife returned from the 1 day assembly, i got an invite for dinner next sunday.

  i said i would think about it, to be honest, as nice as the people are, it would just be boring listening to their comments about everything jw.

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  Go with your gut, no matter how "nice" the "friends" are, they are still indoctrinated, so you won't be free to relax and be yourself.

  But, don't go out of obligation, I'm assuming you don't owe them anything.
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  WT is a human rights violator according to the definition of state.gov and USA law - time for us to start putting pressure in lawmakers!

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper.

  quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change ones faith.........people cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (ask yourself if the wt article i'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.

  so with that being said.....is the wt protecting religious freedom?

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  The only reason Governments or politicians would care is if votes were involved and JWs don't vote.

  Or the people who do vote, and care about the issue, were sufficient in number to affect votes
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  Honestly, Do You Still Act or Think Like a JW?

  by minimus in

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  or do traces or attitudes still rear its ugly head of your past involvement with the witnesses?

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  I think it's easy to recognize and root out the obvious JWisms in our behaviors. But there are automatic, knee-jerk thoughts, feelings and reactions that are related to our indoctrination that we may not recognize in ourselves.

  I find post-cult defensiveness and taking myself too seriously, is a cult hangover I have to constantly pull myself up on.
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  evolution

  by piledriver in

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  can enyone explane why someone who's dissfelowshipt said they now belve in evolution has anyone heard this explane please

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  I think being disfellowshipped causes many to question their beliefs and examine the facts for the first time in their lives.
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  AGM 2015: "New Light"

  by Londo111 in

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  i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

  for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

  specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

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  Dropping 1914? Possible, entirely possible. But Lett did reiterate 607 in that talk.
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  AGM 2015: "New Light"

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

  for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

  specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

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  Tenacious- I was thinking more along the lines of future adjusments like, claiming current WT woes are discipline on the congregations from Jehovah, and blaming the brothers for "tolerating apostates."

  I don't know exactly, I'm just spitballing I spose, and the idea in my head hasn't fully formed yet, but something sounded odd about the whole thing.
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  AGM 2015: "New Light"

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

  for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

  specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

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  With regards to the whole "Baylonian Exile" thing, to me it sounded supsiciously like priming. I have noticed over the years, that they make a point of setting up some tenuous Bible precedent in answer to a question no one was asking in the lead up to a more major adjustment and prior to actual announcement -( sorry if that's hard to follow.)

  Which caused me to wonder what adjustment or announcement was coming in the future that depends upon this "adjustment."
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  Cart witnessing! Dose this mean more accessibility to apostates?

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't know if this has been talked about before but do you think that cart witnessing has made the r&f more accessible to apostates.

  why i say this is because if you think of the d2d work the only way that i could make contact with a r&f member would be if they knocked on my door or i was fortunate enough to see them walking down the road, stopped them and began talking.

  if it was known that i was an apostate my address would be recorded and no further visits made.. however with the carts it is a completely different story, and it is much harder to walk away particularly in a busy street in the full view of the public.

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  Many of us here would be down as "do not calls" so yeah, the carts mean the JWs are more accessible to us.

  Maybe we'll be seeing motorized carts in the future -for fast getaways.
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  Finding homes for the former 'bethelites' and 'special pioneers'

  by Esse quam videri in

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  since the liberal government has been elected in canada, it seems that people are looking to the future with a little more optimism and hope.

  it is only human nature that with change, we would think that the change would be for the better.

  the courts have ruled, in canada, that it is unconstitutional to deny the homeless the right to sleep in parks.

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  An adopt-a-bethelite program?