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  Jehovah’s Witnesses are Taught to Lie but to then Lie about Lying

  by Terry in

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  jehovah’s witnesses are taught to lie but to then lie about lying.

  first off, let’s define what it means to tell a lie.

  i prefer the definition offered by aristotle way back in 4th century b.c.e.

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  It's all about the information.

  Who controls the information controls the power.
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  Did you participate in a Drama?

  by Hecce in

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  2. beliefs

  i am bringing this up because even it was a lot of work, for the majority of the friends this was a rewarding experience.

  camaraderie, joking, costumes, props and when the time came the celebrity status of being in the drama.. back in the 50s and 60s, conventions could be as long as 8 days and from about 1966 the dramas became an integral part of the program.

  we had one per day and the brothers looked forward to their presentation.

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  I had the opposite experience to you stuck. It was during rehearsals for dramas that I felt what seemed like genuine comradery, possibly because we were all out of our comfort zone and so we relied on each other a bit more, I really can't explain why.

  Of course the same people would go back to being their usual jerky selves back at the KH.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses are Taught to Lie but to then Lie about Lying

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah’s witnesses are taught to lie but to then lie about lying.

  first off, let’s define what it means to tell a lie.

  i prefer the definition offered by aristotle way back in 4th century b.c.e.

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  That's what makes an effective cult. If you can program/train someone to lie to themselves then you can do whatever you want with them.

  Changing the wording changes the intent also. For eg with DFing, inhuman shunning becomes "loving discipline" which is basically a lie they told us and then we told ourselves. Lying is a science and an art form for these people.
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  What's the difference between 'works' and 'fruits'?

  by TTWSYF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my uber jw elder brother used to use jesus's quote "you know a tree by it's fruit" and then would speak about how jws are the only ones going door to door and restoring god's true name.. my niece was the first to point out that those were works and not fruits.

  my brother retreated for a few days to contemplate the difference between works and fruits and when he returned to address the comment, he stated that works are fruits.

  what's the take from the jw apologist?.

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  Works are all the free labor you provide to WT.

  Fruits are the anger and resentment, depression and anxiety, that build up slowly over the years of slaving for the WT.
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  Did you participate in a Drama?

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am bringing this up because even it was a lot of work, for the majority of the friends this was a rewarding experience.

  camaraderie, joking, costumes, props and when the time came the celebrity status of being in the drama.. back in the 50s and 60s, conventions could be as long as 8 days and from about 1966 the dramas became an integral part of the program.

  we had one per day and the brothers looked forward to their presentation.

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  Yes, I played a part in three dramas. After I was asked the first time I became one in a kind of "stable" of sisters they would get to do anything drama-ry. They were happy times and it was probably the only times I felt truly useful.

  But sad huh.
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  Confused: What does the overlapping generation really mean?

  by MicaSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone help me understand how the wt came up with the overlapping generation theory?

  i just don't understand it even though i read the information several times.

  it's bewildering.

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  Since all gens overlap then this addition of the qualifying word "overlapping" can only mean that it gives them the out they needed to make it possible for the "this generation" to go on ...and on indefinitely.

  IOW some fancy footwork was needed from the great thinkers known as WT writing department when they got the directive from above to "Make the generation teaching work - asap!"
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  Disturbance during Memorial 2016.

  by Ben131895 in

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  two documented disturbances during memorial 2016. type 'memorial 2016' on youtube.

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  Partaking of wine being offered to you at an event you were invited to is hardly the crime of the century.

  In the grand scheme of acts of civil unrest this is paddling around in the kiddie pool.

  Jehovah's Witnesses need to get over themselves.
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  What was jesus doing for the first 30 years of his life?

  by atomant in

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  30 years is a long time in the life of a human yet little is written about this time frame,l wonder why?

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  He was probably riding around on donkeys really fast with the other youves from Hebrew School, getting drunk, egging the temple etc etc
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  Happy Resurrection Sunday

  by Perry in

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  wishing everyone a happy resurrection sunday.... from my family to yours!.

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  Thanks Perry, supercute family btw!
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  Shunning: is it still practiced?

  by FinchAndWeston in

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  are df, da and apostates still shunned?

  are each treated differently?

  i heard a secondhand report that they seemed to have eased up on this practice ...

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  Pre-emptive shunning.

  Casual shunning.

  Partial shunning.

  Full shunning.

  Yes, all of the above is still going on "with bells on." You don't even have to be DF or inactive just "possible bad association."