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  You tired of me asking for help yet?

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an early watch tower evangelist was e. c. leigh.

  in 1882, he was a student in allegheny city, pennsylvania.

  he traveled through the central states in the 1880s and early 1890s.

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  sparrowdown

  As a disaffected (shunned) member myself I can say that witnesses being "uncomfortable" with me would have to be the understatement of the year lol.

  If you have never been witness it would be very difficult if not impossible to know where we are coming from even if you have family that are witnesses that didn't kick you to the kerb when they became witnesses.

  I believe you have to have lived it yourself to "get it" and not just by proxy.

  The view of JWs as a group is a very different view from the outside than the view from inside the compound. This group rewrites it's own official history to suit it's power and control agenda, but I am assuming your research is a dispassionate, unbiased account of verifiable history not a social commentary or a WT propoganda piece like the proclaimers book.
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  2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

  no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

  instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

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  sparrowdown

  Several things going on here.

  WT loves to rewrite it's own history right before the eyes of it's members.

  They're gaslighting apostates, critics and any that have clear memories of that time.

  They're cementing the new reality into the minds of the ones who were not around or were too young to remember that time.

  They're effectively creating a "mandela effect" ie two versions of reality or IOW pulling a swifty.

  Thankyou WT aka Bastards Inc.
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  Why is the white race so different?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what i'm saying is the white race is the only one that has a verity of eye and hair colors , so what gives?

  is it that this race was influenced genetically by a group of pre humans that didn't mix with other races?

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  sparrowdown

  Physical differences between races and gender is real ask any Dr what the disease and conditions certain races and gender are prone to get. Human rights on the other hand are a completely different subject. It's a pity people seem to confuse these two seperate issues so much it shuts down interesting, relevant discussion with a cry of racism or sexism.
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  Leaving it all behind.

  by Jazzbo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't been on an exjw site for months and months.

  i frankly am way past the point where i define myself as an exjw, i am who i am and it doesn't have really anything to do with the way i was raised or spent a considerable portion of my life, i also refuse to be bound by witness requirements as to leaving, contact with witnesses, or some kind of responsibility to whack people who seem perfectly happy as witnesses over the head with 'the truth about the truth'.

  i have recently run in to a few people that seems to simply obsess with their lives as witnesses and why they left and in some cases the way they were treated or mistreated, or the need to "do" something.

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  sparrowdown

  Yes, you are criticizing and if you have "moved on" so successfully why bother to come back after "months and months" to bitch about the "few people" you "ran into" recently who "obsess" with their lives as witnesses? What do want a medal?
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  Let me get this straight according to today's wt a person can make his own decisions

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  on whether or not she chooses to shun?.

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  Yeah it's hard to hear but JWs have the right to say no to any of WTs requirements. If every JW woke up and realized this the borg's strangle hold on people's lives would dissolve overnight. It frustrates me no end to see grown-ass people not making their own decisions regarding shunning, two words come to mind learned helplessness!

  Be a rebel say NO to WT then let the butthurt commence.
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  sparrowdown

  Surely you mean if the Bible requires WT to warn since it's the Bible WT claims to obey first rather than The Law of any state or country. WT elders are the shepherds are they not why would the shepherds not protect the sheep by not warning them of a threat to their offspring. Why would the shepherds allow the threat to roam freely amongst the flock and visit the home of people outside the flock for recruiting purposes.

  Wake up to yourself WT is not just a secular organization with no moral duty to warn and protect based solely on law. WT claims to follow a higher law the law of love where there is no just law that is just law!!!
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  Russell's aleged freemasonry on JWfacts.com

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  paul has written an interesting piece on jwfacts.com .

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/russell-not-a-freemason.php.

  anyway, it jogged my memory and reminded me of something i thought i would pass on to you.back in the late 80s i had the opportunity to chat with ray franz on the phone and i asked him about this very thing.he didn't say yes or no to russel's masonic connection but what he said was something like, "he is buried in the masonic section of the cemetery so draw your own conclusion.

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  Frankly, I don't give a damn if Russell received his inspiration from the Bible, Vogue magazine, an all night bourbon bender or a combination of the above it was all BS rantings. What's even more sad his BS was the beginnings of a high control cult that would ruin peoples lives for over a hundred years while making a truckload of money in the process.

  He is not the hero WT lyingly paints him to be that I know for sure!
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  Russell's aleged freemasonry on JWfacts.com

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  paul has written an interesting piece on jwfacts.com .

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/russell-not-a-freemason.php.

  anyway, it jogged my memory and reminded me of something i thought i would pass on to you.back in the late 80s i had the opportunity to chat with ray franz on the phone and i asked him about this very thing.he didn't say yes or no to russel's masonic connection but what he said was something like, "he is buried in the masonic section of the cemetery so draw your own conclusion.

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  sparrowdown

  Regardless of where he got his kooky ideas they were not as WT would like its members to believe all immaculately conceived from a pure study of the Bible. WT has whitewashed, omitted and outright lied about Russell's origins, inspirations and obsession with stuff like the pyramids, his crazy-ass beliefs were a franken-theology blend of all sorts of shit.

  No wonder people are confused about his connections!
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  Do JWs Really Bother You?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in reality my experience with the witnesses is that they really don't bother me or bother with me which suits me just fine....are you "bothered" by the witnesses at this point of your life?.

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  Strangely WT apologists bother me more than actual JWs these days, especially ones that have never been a JW.
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  Oooh, caught a JW colleague telling porkies at work this week.

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there's a jw 'sister' at work, lovely girl in her mid twenties.

  anyway, on monday the union (cwu) called a one day strike in support of colleagues and all union members supported the action as far as i'm aware, except the sister.. she claimed it was 'against her religion' to strike.

  bare in mind, she's a fee paying member of the union.. now, a few of my workmates know of my past and asked me if this was really true, that jehovah's witnesses aren't allowed to strike.. we'll, i like this girl and i didn't want to make her look silly but what was i supposed to say after i stopped laughing?

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  sparrowdown

  Awkward. It sucks to be a JW, most are incapable of explaining their stand on anything.