Posts by sparrowdown

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Embellished assembly interviews/"experiences"

by ab.ortega in

oh how wonderful those experiences at assemblies and "schools" are - not.

at times it seemed as if these "experiences" were scripted.

the speaker gets criteria in the outline regarding what the experience or interview has to be about.

sparrowdown

I recall a pioneer sister I knew being very distraught after a rehearsal for a part she was in in which she was supposed to relate her experiences as a pioneer.

You know the story, marriage broke down because she was a faithful sister and her husband was a bastard, demanding boss who didn't respect that she was a pioneer and needed time off for meetings/assemblies etc, loneliness, health problems, yada, yada, yada. Anyway she started going into her tale of self inflicted woe and the CO cut her off mid-whinge saying (her words) " the brothers don't want to know all your problems be more encouraging." She changed her story to sound more Jehovery but she was really cut by the CO's dismissal of her story in it's raw form.

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I have tried really hard to be worldly, for ten years, tried to get worldly friends, and get back with family.

by Sledracer in

i am so bad at being worldly, it's not like i gave it a good try, we are just not good at it my husband and i, i see him light up as he has started to read the bible again.

i'm good at being a witness, i am accepted, and hold the same beliefs, i have tried to find somewhere else, if there is a place, why hav'n't jehovah and the angels directed me to it?

thank you for all the loving posts, some of them have been just what i needed.

sparrowdown

I don't think it's being "worldly" you're having problems with, it's being a non-jehovah's witness.

The JW belief system "kills" off the natural person (the old personality) and replaces it with a constucted one (the new personality). This WT personality is held in place by a scaffold-like belief system that causes the person to believe that if the belief system were removed they would fall down. This is not true, unless you have a serious emotional issue or brain damage, you are strong enough to stand alone, but many don't want to.

Being in a high control group can be like cozy blanket of group-think or rather non-think that many are just simply more comfortable with.

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Australia Branch to end magazine printing

by no-zombie in

jw
friends

just one week from the zone overseer's visit is the announcement that the magazine production by the australia branch will end in a few months.

the task being transferred to the japan branch.

while i'm not 100% certain, i understand that this effectively ends all major printing bar perhaps tracts, handbills and other loose items.

sparrowdown

Going.......going........😂

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I need food for thought..

by raven in

hi friends,it has been 20 years that i've slaved for the wt and through out the past couple of years i could feel myself fighting an urge to accept that something was not right.

i fought it off for so long only for it to resurface frequently throughout my years of pioneering, assembly/convention parts, & speaking with people about the "truth", slaving and giving to try to be a "spiritual person" but in reality i was not spiritual because spirituality (according to the org) is doing all of the things they want you to do.

which then will label you as spiritual... no !!!

sparrowdown

A systematic approach is best, break it down into bitesize pieces otherwise you will become overwhelmed by it all. Remember the only way to "eat an elephant" is one bite at a time.

Pick a topic that interests you and type it into google.

Start with what you already know to be iffy, for instance you have already noticed how the org equates spirituality with blind obedience to them. You have rightly recognized this as false and that slaving for WT has nothing to do with, as you say, true "spirituality" or "getting to know" God or Jesus.

There are plenty of ex-jw websites and YTers. There is also plenty of info on cults and mind control techniques.

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Divisions among ex jw activists

by Truthexplorer in

i just watched a youtube discussion between marc & cora and unwitness.

it was regarding their unhappiness over a few prominent individuals in the ex jw community, one individual in particular.

this individual who on the one hand produces excellent videos highlighting wt issues, yet has been known to peeve a lot of ex jw activists off.

sparrowdown

It's hard to achieve consensus out of speculation.

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Australia Branch to end magazine printing

by no-zombie in

jw
friends

just one week from the zone overseer's visit is the announcement that the magazine production by the australia branch will end in a few months.

the task being transferred to the japan branch.

while i'm not 100% certain, i understand that this effectively ends all major printing bar perhaps tracts, handbills and other loose items.

sparrowdown

Yes, I'd say they were planning on pulling the plug down there any way.

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Help messy problem

by poopie in

jw
friends

the problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.

sparrowdown

Yes, poopie enjoys peeing in our pockets with non-sensical one word one sentence posts.

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Australia Branch to end magazine printing

by no-zombie in

jw
friends

just one week from the zone overseer's visit is the announcement that the magazine production by the australia branch will end in a few months.

the task being transferred to the japan branch.

while i'm not 100% certain, i understand that this effectively ends all major printing bar perhaps tracts, handbills and other loose items.

sparrowdown

Yeah, saw this coming.

The message from "Mother" would go something like

Dear Australia Branch

You naughty naughty boys down under, have royally screwed up and made us look stupid in the process so as a consequence we need a "head on a plate" to show the world we care about children.

We were planning on pulling the plug down there anyway but on consideration we decided it would look better to wait until after the ARC. That way the brothers and the aussie press will blame you for the problem and conclude it's your mishandling of child abuse cases rather than our policies that are the problem.

Suffer in your jocks, we all need discipline from Jehovah... bwahahahahaha

Your brothers

GB

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"But WHY would you want to know those things??"

by stuckinarut2 in

i ran into an older sister who has always been very sweet.. it was a friendly chat...yet she pushed for a reason why my family have been missing from meetings for some time.

the question was deflected, until it just had to be said: "well, there have been some troubling and disturbing issues about the society especially the way things were handled during the royal commission, as well as many other issues".. she quickly cut in and said "but why would you want to know these things?

its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!".

sparrowdown

I used to think WT started out with good intentions and just turned to shit after a time through corruption and power struggles. Now I know it was conceived in caca and has been producing it and feeding it to the sheep ever since. Some people prefer a diet of caca and corruption - what can yah do.

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Is reasoning with a JW the answer?

by Saved_JW in

when i first left the watchtower society, i can remember being very eager to learn new information, especially information which pertained to discrediting the watchtower organization.

i called it "the cage stage" .

this excitement and newfound change in worldview completely rocked my world.

sparrowdown

I do not think it possibe to "reason" with any indoctrinated cult member, not in the true sense of the word "reason" any way. You can plant seeds of truth while they are not looking, but full on reasoning with logic and honest and broad assessment of a subject that threatens their world view? No, they will mentally cut you off everytime, and, if they feel you have gone too far (easy to do with a dub) they will politely pretend to "look that up" and just avoid you like the spiritual plague in the future.

Truth seeding is the best way to go, if you have the time and the patience for it that is.