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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  sparrowdown

  Just a btw for Richard.

  WT are not victims nor are they defenseless. Hate to break it to ya but WT are big boys and they don't need you defending them, sweetie. They are a multi billion dollar org and have very expensive lawyers and a legal department for that.

  The chips will fall where the chips will fall for WT and maybe they will continue to get away with their treatment of victims or maybe they won't either way they don't need you going into battle for them. Nor do they even deserve it.

  Why not find an actual victim to advocate for there are plenty of them our there.
  
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  The thing with JW victims is because of their indoctrination they're even less likey to come forward than non jw victims. The mesage to never under any circumstances to bring Jehovah's name or people into disrepute is strong in the minds of all JWs and exJWs and many don't tell who would have told if they had not been threatened as children with bible horror stories of what happens to bad people who speak against Jehovah and his people.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  RO why don't you save us all alot of futile back and forth and just state clearly your position, for eg you think WT is being unfairly targeted by victims of child abuse.

  Then at least we will know which corner you're coming from.

  In your case I suspect it's "the stop picking on WT because they are not so bad nor are they to blame for everything that goes wrong within it's own congregations" corner.

  Come out of the apologetic closet already.
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  Sisters as Ministerial Servants?

  by Spoletta in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.

  she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.

  anyone else pick up on this?

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  If sisters (ugh!) were "allowed" to become Mini Servants (Elder's bitches) their male counterparts would likely feel all threatened and insecure and need a waaambulance (male ego and all ) because let's face it must really suck to be the BOE's bitch you're not an elder yet but not a mere publisher either and competition in the form of busybody sisters and elderettes would not be appreciated I imagine.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  What is your point - specifically?
  
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  Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.

  on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.

  they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.

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  Thanks for that DJS - a very interesting read.
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  How long did people like Methuselah really live?

  by dubstepped in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was working today and my brain was working in circles like it often does and i started wondering about what i was always told about people like methuselah in bible times, and their incredibly claims of longevity.

  i've tried researching things but have a hard time getting through all of the bible thumpers to some real evidence, and figured that some here may be more informed or have done the research previously.

  so, did people really live longer way back when?

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  As Maxwell Smart would say Methuselah was the second oldest man that ever lived.
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  Rutherford and Elevators -- All Others Use the Stairs

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  during the olin moyle court case, some of the "jehovah's witnesses" witnesses were asked on the stand if they knew if the elevators were held at ground floor at lunchtime so that rutherford would not have to wait to use them when he returned to the building.. other people had to use the stairs; the elevators had to be kept ready for rutherford.. the jw witnesses denied knowing anything about this.

  but in reading the transcript of the trial, one gets the impression that none of the jws wanted to admit anything negative about rutherford, for instance, that rutherford would give "trimmings" (verbal scolding) to individuals at lunchtime was not readily admitted by even clayton woodworth, a person who had direct experience being reprimanded by the "judge"!.

  trying to get info from the witnesses appeared to be like squeezing water from a stone!

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  Maybe Rutherford thought....

  "When the elevator tries to bring you down....go craaazy!

  Wooo!"
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  JW.org as a Prank Tool

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the moment i saw the "request a study" form on the site, i thought, "umm, that could be a bad thing.".

  but to date, i have heard of only one case where it was used for less than genuine purposes.

  that was in the case of a "game developer" who was selling crappy asset-flips on steam.

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  I remember being given names and addresses of people who were suposedly interested only to find out when meeting the person that they did not request a visit they were not interested and they just so happen to have a witness relative who has tried on many occasions to get them to study.

  The person of course was none too happy bout it and promptly told us not to come back.
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  For those that read the bible, does the true message of scripture still come through in NWT?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.

  thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.

  i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).

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  Yes I think it's possible, but I don't think the bible translation is the problem the WT filter that all dubs read/ hear all material through is the problem.

  So maybe if you could use scriptures not often used or read by JWs .....maybe.