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  What Jonah story really teaches

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jonah account as given in the bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:.

  1) god is shown to be forcing jonah against his will.

  (god would not go against the free-will of his children because history shows: he doesn’t punish atheists nor does he do any favors to theists).

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  @Waton - definitely running ahead. Lol.
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  How To Fade Away Cleanly?

  by SplaneThisToMe in

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  2. friends

  this is my first post and hopefully i can get some advice and input.

  i have been actively involved with the organization for a little over 10 years now.

  i began studying in high school, got baptized and my family fortunately did not.

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  My guess is that after the initial curiosity about why you were deleted dies down and the scuttlebut about you goes round being left alone won't be a problem for you.
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  What Jonah story really teaches

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jonah account as given in the bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:.

  1) god is shown to be forcing jonah against his will.

  (god would not go against the free-will of his children because history shows: he doesn’t punish atheists nor does he do any favors to theists).

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  I'll try this again shall I?

  Yes, it's terrible that at one time we all took this sooooo seriously we lived by it. Hopefully one day everyone will wake up to organized religion's bullshit.

  There ya go was that the "correct" response.
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  What Jonah story really teaches

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jonah account as given in the bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:.

  1) god is shown to be forcing jonah against his will.

  (god would not go against the free-will of his children because history shows: he doesn’t punish atheists nor does he do any favors to theists).

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  My personal interpretation is running away from the truth of one's self.

  The way I see bible stories = allegory = metaphor = not real = non one died =no one got swallowed by a fish = fairy tale.

  Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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  What Jonah story really teaches

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jonah account as given in the bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:.

  1) god is shown to be forcing jonah against his will.

  (god would not go against the free-will of his children because history shows: he doesn’t punish atheists nor does he do any favors to theists).

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  Phizzy's right, it's not literal.

  I love the Jonah character he's hilarious and very relatable with his bad luck and feeling sorry for himself the story is full of irony that get's played out in the plots of many a book, movie and play.

  Ultimately it's all metaphor and I see the Jonah story as lesson in the futility of running away from truth and one's true self.
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  Facebook warning

  by The Real Edward Gentry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  be very careful who you "friend" on facebook.people are facing judicial hearings for things they have posted online.so unless you are a real goody two shoes, be careful who you friend and beware of entrapment conversations designed to have you reveal your personal habits or even opinions.happy hollidays.

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  JWs will use whatever means at their disposal to engage in one of their fave activities - befriend and entrap. It's also how they honeytrap people into joining their cult and marrying them.

  I hate facebook anyway, but thanks for the warning.
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  Is All The Bad Publicity About The Watchtower Pedophile Lawsuits Causing Contributions To Nose Dive Worldwide?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think with all the child molestation lawsuits the watchtower corporation is and has been hit with is the main reason for all the prime property sell off recently.

  the silent lambs protest back in 2001, and the dateline prime time expose probably was the death knell for the watchtower's hey day in brooklyn.. their membership is drying up, young people are leaving in droves, the situation is no doubt far worse than the annually published yearbook figures show and so they ceased it's publication permanently.

  and those left remaining are experiencing a huge grab of money from their congregations accounts and now are required to make pledges about how much they can contribute which i think is a last ditch effort by the governing body to squeeze more money out of the rank and file watchtower indoctrinated drones.. i think all this is happening because even those still loyally attending are hearing reports of these tremendous pay out that the watchtower is making to the victims of their self serving policies that put young ones at great risks so that even the rank and file don't want to contribute to pay court costs and so are withholding giving contributions to a very great extent.

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  WT has been in the process of weaning them off the literature and onto the website for some time and any kind of weaning process is up and down for a while until the new form of food or in this case propoganda becomes preferable to the old.

  Donations may improve once they have been fully weaned and the website is fully accepted as the new Mother.

  I 'm watching and waiting on this one.
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  ExJW responsible for calling the police at the Warwick protest, NOT Watchtower

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  according to the great apostate, who spent time with police officers at the protest, they informed him that it was not watchtower who called the police in but another exjw who briefly attended the protest and subsequently disapproved of the protesters methods...claiming they were being "violent".. i find this very difficult to understand.

  anyone who saw the bravery of the women who stood up in the kingdom hall and told the story of their abuse and rape could not fail to feel compassion and offer their support.. i know there are posters on this forum who disagree with me.they worry that such protests play into watchtowers "persecution" complex, and naturally i understand their position.. but really, how long do we have to fear their power over their members, and through their members, us.. many jw's simply do not know the extent of the paedophile problem,.they do not know about malawi, the un, the bloodless surgery guinea pig deaths ( thank you orphan crow), the suicides....i simply don't believe that protests don't work....if there are enough of them, and they are organized, and most of all if we are united...we shall make a difference, and that difference may be your loved one.. https://youtu.be/ffhr9onbdrk.

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  Nothing happened at this protest that was in any way threatening, dangerous or violent to anyone. Try going to a football match if you would like to compare. WT infantalizes these people with boogie man stories I refuse to join in.

  But, having said that.

  I liken individual JWs and individual congregations to employees and customers of a fast food franchise that do NOT have any decision making authority for the franchise they only work there and follow a pre determined procedure or eat there.

  IOW Strategically speaking it would be useless to complain to them about policies and procedures only the franchise headquarters has the power to change. Don't take a no from someone who doesn't have the power to say yes.

  Still, protest outside establishments with signs t shirts etc is worth it if it draws attention to the problem.

  In this case, of course, WT heirarchy is unreachable and their attitude is "talk to the hand" so I understand the frustration, I do, I really do.
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  Is All The Bad Publicity About The Watchtower Pedophile Lawsuits Causing Contributions To Nose Dive Worldwide?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think with all the child molestation lawsuits the watchtower corporation is and has been hit with is the main reason for all the prime property sell off recently.

  the silent lambs protest back in 2001, and the dateline prime time expose probably was the death knell for the watchtower's hey day in brooklyn.. their membership is drying up, young people are leaving in droves, the situation is no doubt far worse than the annually published yearbook figures show and so they ceased it's publication permanently.

  and those left remaining are experiencing a huge grab of money from their congregations accounts and now are required to make pledges about how much they can contribute which i think is a last ditch effort by the governing body to squeeze more money out of the rank and file watchtower indoctrinated drones.. i think all this is happening because even those still loyally attending are hearing reports of these tremendous pay out that the watchtower is making to the victims of their self serving policies that put young ones at great risks so that even the rank and file don't want to contribute to pay court costs and so are withholding giving contributions to a very great extent.

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  I think the real donation killer amongst JWs is bored out of their brain apathy.

  How could JWs not feel redundant now that witnessing has been replaced by a video and a cart and teaching has been replaced by a website.
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  Was It Really Mental Illness or Was It The Demons?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we supposedly had more than a few “demonized” people in our congregation.

  they would hear voices or feel internal punishment within their souls.

  the answer was always—-these people were affected by the demons and they needed counseling!.

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  Wow sparky! Mystery solved then. The real "demon" was the toyboy husband and JW bitches be crazy.