Posts by sparrowdown

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Are You An Angry Exjw At This Point In Your Life?

by minimus in

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i’ve been here for many years.

the tone seems to be different in this place.

not so many pissed off exjws .

sparrowdown

You have been here a while minimus,16 years is a long time to be an "ex" anything.

Anyway, the question.

No I'm not. If you keep moving forward in your waking up process rage is only a temporary part of it, kind of like the stages of grief. It's not healthy to maintain anger, in fact how angry I get when I run into some JW I know is how I gauge my progress. My goal is neutrality and I'm almost there. Of course, some people, the ones I had more to do with, will trigger more of an emotional reaction than others so it's a work in progress I 'm only human after all, if you prick me do I not bleed....sorry I digress.

I am absolutely still passionate and interested in seeing WT and all controlling religions that interfere with peoples personal rights and decisions undergo serious reform or disappear altogether.

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Mind control

by Jrjw in

ive just watched on youtube the b.i.t.e model of cult mind control by steve hassan.

all 23 steps apply to the wts.

its awful knowing i was tricked and how subtly it was done without me even knowing.

sparrowdown

Yes very useful book, he explains the techniques employed by cults and the mechanisms of mind control ie thought reform very well.

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Why did the Governing Body come behind the curtain?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

in the movie the wizard of oz, while the whole yellow brick road gang was being addressed by the great and powerful wizard of oz, the dog toto ran off to the side, pulled back on a curtain, and showed that a normal-looking humbug of a person was operating cranks and levers.

for a short while, the normal-looking man kept yanking levers and cranking cranks, and said into the microphone (which made the great and powerful wizard speak the same words) "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

i am the great and powerful wiz .

sparrowdown

We can now see their ugly mugs but that's about it. They haven't come out from behind any curtain or closet or revealed anything. Most of what the GB and WTBTS do is still well and truly hidden from JWs. Even us as researching apostates only have glimpses of the tip of the iceberg re their business dealings, associates, back of backroom discussions, how they do things, to who and how much they pay for this and that, where the money is going where the money is coming from, the real reason behind new light, the legal department the real estate side of things, their plans for the future for the website etc... A full 360 degree of view? We don't know the half of it.

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Why the JW org should fail.

by Half banana in

dr margaret t singer, a professor of psychology at berkeley university california has studied the experiences of 700 cult members.

''consciously and manipulatively, leaders and their trainers exert a systematic social influence that can produce great behavioral changes,'' said dr. singer.. .

one of the ways the jw organisation exerts so much influence over its members is because it has created a culture sustained by constant propaganda, which polices itself according to how the leadership has moulded it.

sparrowdown

It should and would fail if it were only about truth, facts, logic, reason, accountability, but as you have touched on already it's not. Many JWs don't care whether there is proof for this doctrine or evidence for that claim they just want to be part of a group, a community of people who think the same, talk the same, walk the same, dress the same, love the same "God" and hate the same things. Some people like being told what to do, what to think and how to feel or not feel.

On that basis it may never fail.

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Oprah For President!

by minimus in

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i hope hollywood helps make her the democratic nominee.

she sounds like she’s testing out the waters.

good luck ms. winfrey.

sparrowdown

Nobody thought Trump would win -not even Trump. So, never say never, I spose.

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An Active JW Sister Modelling For Me

by pale.emperor in

since leaving the borg i jumped both feet first into classes i've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to.

two of which are life drawing and photography.

i've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.. today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us.

sparrowdown

Boy, how does this sister square that one off with her bible-trained conscience? Seriously, the hypocrisy of these people knows no bounds. Unbelievable.

I remember a brother who was a builder but became a professional artist in later life and also taught. He sent his son to art school which of course involved nudes as part of the course. The elders got to hear about it and told him and his wife it was inappropriate blah blah. The guy (and his wife lol) was a bit of a "stuff it in ya jumper" kind of guy and told them so. It was just all so JW melodrama IOW petty and narrowminded.

At the time I was just starting to get into art myself and taking lessons with him and another local artist and I remember at the time the ignorance of the JWs stunned me.

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What Will The Future Hold For Jehovah's Witnesses

by VW.org in

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as descibed by the title here is a link to reddit of a what i believe is a powerful post with heaps of information.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/7ovq5o/watchtowers_decline_what_will_the_future_hold_for/?utm_source=reddit-android.

sparrowdown

Mother knows that some of you have been telling tales out of school and she's mad.

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Will #metoo have an affect on forcing changing attitudes at Watchtower?

by jwfacts in

despite decades of the feminist movement, watchtower's attitude of woman being inferior has changed little, with pauline sexism justified as inspired, on the basis that women are lesser emotionally, intellectually and physically.

jehovah's witnesses seem to accept this with little resistance.

is there anything about the #metoo movement that may wake followers up?

sparrowdown

WT itself will probably take the opportunity to pat themselves on the back for how well they treat their women.

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Will #metoo have an affect on forcing changing attitudes at Watchtower?

by jwfacts in

despite decades of the feminist movement, watchtower's attitude of woman being inferior has changed little, with pauline sexism justified as inspired, on the basis that women are lesser emotionally, intellectually and physically.

jehovah's witnesses seem to accept this with little resistance.

is there anything about the #metoo movement that may wake followers up?

sparrowdown

Some may think twice, but, many women in the org will argue that WT and the Bible encourages true respect for women and "subjection" is relative and "spiritual" only. That women are honoured and protected by the arrangement.

To be honest I worry about this "metoo" movement becoming a witch hunt where presumption of innocence is dispensed with in favor of salacious heresay. Also in the long run what will be the outcome? I know many will disagree with that concern and that's fine feel free but I have my reservations about where it's all heading.

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"May I have a copy of the 'Child-safegaurding policy' letter please?"

by stuckinarut2 in

so as we all know, the australian royal commission has it on record that a "child safegaurding policy" document was produced hurriedly at the tail end of the australian royal commission.. the commission was told by the society representatives that this would be "freely available to all congregants and interested people".. the commission quizzed the brothers as to whether it would "be freely handed out, or simply handed to those who requested it".

either way, it was to be freely available.. so imagine the surprise of one our fellow faders who attended a kh yesterday to ask for a copy!.

she politely and respectfully asked the brother at the door for a copy.

sparrowdown

In JWspeak "freely available" = "we'll call the branch and get back to you...maybe...after the meeting... if we can be bothered...you're probably an apostate...you're not entitled...bugger off"