Posts by sparrowdown

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I yelled at dubs today ( again )

by kairos in

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so i roll up to the job site and looky there, two uber pioneer dubs dragging themselves down the sidewalk.

both ladies are in there early 60's and born in.. my heart started pumping, but i had to act.i was directly across the street from them.

i walked right to the sidewalk and said in a very loud, but not mean voice: "you can't teach overlapping generations from the bible!!

sparrowdown

I am in two minds on this issue.

I know in their indoctrinated state their minds are impenetrable and anything you do or say they will use against you as proof of their beliefs.

But, I also believe this so-called "persecution complex" response is just another way of shutting down discussion and anyone that dares to disagree with them. It's like "play by my rules - or else I'll scream persecution."

When in reality, the truth is, anyone who publicly peddles a belief system by way of unsolicited home visits needs to be questioned and challenged hard! Everytime - even if it makes them squirm and feel uncomfortable.

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How Long Before They Introduce Tithing?

by pale.emperor in

when i was a full-on believing jw i had an obsessive fascination with mormonism.

i read, studied and watched their propaganda with strange interest as well as their apostate mormon books.

i have to say, they have a good scam going claiming that "the lord reintroduced tithing" in the modern age.

sparrowdown

He's evading the questions he's not just a troll he's the new 'Richard Oliver."

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How Long Before They Introduce Tithing?

by pale.emperor in

when i was a full-on believing jw i had an obsessive fascination with mormonism.

i read, studied and watched their propaganda with strange interest as well as their apostate mormon books.

i have to say, they have a good scam going claiming that "the lord reintroduced tithing" in the modern age.

sparrowdown

Like talking to a troll.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

sparrowdown

Control a person's perception of reality and you control them.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

sparrowdown

I do not use the words indoctrination and forced interchangeably - ever. I am NOT one of those people.

JWs are heavily infuenced by their years of indoctrination and their decisions reflect that.

If indoctrination in JW beliefs is not present in a person's life does that person just wake up one day and think I would love to make bethel a career? Do non JWs apply to go to bethel? No they do not.

BUT, that does not mean in any way shape or form that someone forced them to apply to go to bethel.

Bethelites are not forced to apply for bethel I do not know how many ways I can say it.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

sparrowdown

I'm not saying JWs do not have a choice they do they just choose not to use it because they fail to question their indoctrination.

I have never ever said adult JWs are forced to join because they are not. Any person that turns 18 yrs of age is legally and intellectually responsible for their own decisions. JW children are conditioned to believe they are not. They are lied to by parents who were lied to but that does NOT absolve them of their responsibility or consequences of decisions they make as an adult.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

sparrowdown

Indoctrination is not another word for forced they are completely different words with different meanings.

Being indoctrinated to believe certain things can move someone to "volunteer" for anything.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

sparrowdown

The reason otherwise intelligent people willingly volunteer to sign their personal freedoms away to go live in a cult compound is because they have been indoctrinated to believe it's the right thing to do.

Not everyone that applies to bethel gets accepted it's held out as a "privilege" there are only so many ways you can "serve" or advance your theocratic career and going to bethel is one of them gilead is another the bar being set pretty high for both.

Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy ambition cults take advantage of it actually, they just call it "reaching out."

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

sparrowdown

I'd venture a guess and say it's similar in phrasing to a standard terms of agreement used for anyone applying to join any kind of religious order. In this case the big happy bethel "family." ("The Family" said in Godfather voice.)

Just one of the JW voluntary actions that seems like a good idea at the time.

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What would you do or say?

by Butyoucanneverleave in

a brother who is not baptized ( so there's still hope for him ) had a sister recently run into him at a store.

show wanted to know if he's going to the kingdom hall.

she asked him to write a letter for her to give to his mother ( who's deceased) in the paradise explaining why he didn't make it.

sparrowdown

I myself had the misfortune of a JW woman spotting me in the supermarket yesterday and deciding me being hemmed in by a shopping trolley and otherwise occupied by placing sweet potatoes in a bag was a good time to preach at me by listing all the reasons why the end is even nigher now ....... meanwhile 😴😴😴