A sister with a UBM in our congregation decided to help her DF'd (married) daughter out who is about to deliver her first baby. The elders got wind of it and counselled her that it would not be appropriate and would be setting a bad example. The UBM raised a ruckus, and the sister is going ahead with caring for her daughter and soon-to-be grandson. At first Clyde and I thought she would knuckle under. Now we wonder what kind of restrictions the elders will put her under for disregarding her counsel. She likes to pioneer a few times a year--maybe they will restrict her from that.
Bonnie_Clyde
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Question on Headship
by insearchoftruth ini am not fully in tune with how the wts defines headship and applies it to the members.
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how does it apply to an unbelieving mate when the ubm is the husband and the female is the jw?.
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My Son's Shunning begins......So Sad
by nomoreguilt inin an earlier thread i spoke of my younger son going to move in with his girlfriend, non jw.
he's 30, baptised, divorced hasn't been to meetings in three years and in good standing.
so, yesterday i had the opportunity to help him move.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Hi NMG - Sorry about your situation. It's a tough one, and only you know the exact circumstances and feelings of your sons. I remember you said that your oldest son is strongly influenced by his wife's family.
I have a somewhat similar situation with my daughter.
Bonnie
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Lyman Swingle (Former GB Member) Memorial Talk 3/2001
by What-A-Coincidence inmemorial service for lyman alexander swingle.
monday - march 19, 2001 (talk by brother carey barber).
but, she wanted him to surprise his father so told him to go down to the drug store where he worked.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Lyman gave a talk at our circuit assembly several years ago, and went way over time (at least 45 minutes). I mentioned it to a pioneer sister when out in service a few days later, and she shot back, "Who are you to criticize one of the Governing Body?"
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R. Franz
by Newborn indear all,.
i've just read raymond franz interesting, revealing and important book.
i wonder if anyone of you have met him or talked to him in person?
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Bonnie_Clyde
I read both books back in 1999. Some people say that ISOCF is too long, but I read every word. Couldn't believe how the scales fell off my eyes, as I came to understand the reason for so many things the WT has said and done. I started going to meetings in 1955 and was a very strong witness--read all publications and attended all meetings--pioneered as much as I could.
When I read an Awake article a few years ago announcing that the Mexican brothers could now use their Bibles and sing and pray at their meetings, I remember wondering why we weren't writing letters to their government like we were asked to do for the Malawi brothers. Franz told us why. I wondered why every history book I picked up never gave 607 BC as the date of Jerusalem's fall. Just thought the historians didn't have their facts right. Franz told us why. I wondered why the change in the alternative service. Franz told us why. And much more....
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Anybody here a Jane Austen fan?
by Bonnie_Clyde innever thought i would be, but now i've watched 3 versions of sense and sensibility, 2 versions of pride and prejudice, 2 of persuasion, and 2 of emma.
also saw one of mansfield park, but i didn't like it that much.
there's only one left that i haven't seen--northanger abbey.. .
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Bonnie_Clyde
Wow Cathyk - you are really into the novels. So far the only books I've read are P&P and Persuasion.
I think the Colin Firth/Jennifer Ehle version followed it the best. The last one was good. I liked some of the characters better, especially the three younger sisters, but I didn't like the father (Donald Sutherland) nearly as well. I think Matthew (can't remember last name) played Darcy quite well, but Colin Firth was a hard act to follow.
What did you think of Colonel Brandon in S&S? I liked him OK in the 1st and 3rd versions, but couldn't stand him in the one with Kate Winslow and Emma Thompson. Also noticed that they never mentioned the 3rd sister, Margaret, in the 1st film. She was so cute in the other two.
Do we have a fan club now?
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Anybody here a Jane Austen fan?
by Bonnie_Clyde innever thought i would be, but now i've watched 3 versions of sense and sensibility, 2 versions of pride and prejudice, 2 of persuasion, and 2 of emma.
also saw one of mansfield park, but i didn't like it that much.
there's only one left that i haven't seen--northanger abbey.. .
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Bonnie_Clyde
I like all your comments. How do you join a Jane Austen book club?
I have a question that I hope someone can answer before this thread runs out.
In Sense and Sensibility - Mr. Ferris' mother disherited him when she found out that he was engaged to Lucy. When Lucy finds out that he's disherited, she dumps him and marries the other brother. Why didn't the mother now disinherit him? Must be something I'm missing....
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Anybody here a Jane Austen fan?
by Bonnie_Clyde innever thought i would be, but now i've watched 3 versions of sense and sensibility, 2 versions of pride and prejudice, 2 of persuasion, and 2 of emma.
also saw one of mansfield park, but i didn't like it that much.
there's only one left that i haven't seen--northanger abbey.. .
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Bonnie_Clyde
Hi Jeff
I almost got tossed out of a 400 level English lit class for describing her books as boring junk about stupid self absorbed people who spent all their time talking about how awful it was to be better than everybody else. I was told that that was the point of her books. My response was OK, I read fifty pages and I got it. Let's read something else.
My son feels the same way about her novels. He pointed out that nobody seems to have a job or knows what physical work is. He described them as the idle rich who sit around gossiping. Their idea of being poor was only having two servants. I don't care--I really like her novels. I believe Jane Austen was a bit of a feminist. Her stories touched on the plight of women who had little control over their destinies. They could own no property, could not inherit any property, and had to depend upon the generosity of men to have any stature. They were often forced into loveless marriages in order to enjoy any security in life. The heroines in the Jane Austen's novels were about women who used their brains and stood up against the norms of society.
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Anybody here a Jane Austen fan?
by Bonnie_Clyde innever thought i would be, but now i've watched 3 versions of sense and sensibility, 2 versions of pride and prejudice, 2 of persuasion, and 2 of emma.
also saw one of mansfield park, but i didn't like it that much.
there's only one left that i haven't seen--northanger abbey.. .
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Bonnie_Clyde
Never thought I would be, but now I've watched 3 versions of Sense and Sensibility, 2 versions of Pride and Prejudice, 2 of Persuasion, and 2 of Emma. Also saw one of Mansfield Park, but I didn't like it that much. There's only one left that I haven't seen--Northanger Abbey.
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11-yr old wants to get baptized, father objects, elders interfere
by Bonnie_Clyde inthe mother went to the elders when the dad objected to the girl getting baptized.
this prompted a visit from the elders who counselled him for wanting to hold his child back from baptism.
this girl is immature even for an 11-year old.
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Bonnie_Clyde
The part that bothers me the most is how the elders thought it was their right to interfere. They had no respect for the father and now that little girl knows who to run to when she wants her way--her mother. The father felt he had no choice but to capitulate as he certainly wanted to keep his MS position.
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11-yr old wants to get baptized, father objects, elders interfere
by Bonnie_Clyde inthe mother went to the elders when the dad objected to the girl getting baptized.
this prompted a visit from the elders who counselled him for wanting to hold his child back from baptism.
this girl is immature even for an 11-year old.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Wonder if the Mother will still interfere if the child is disfellowshipped at age 12?
I asked the mother's sister that same question. She replied that the mother would definitely shun her daughter. Thankfully, the sister did not approve of the baptism and she voiced her opinion.